The One Thing 97% of Expats Don't Do

Advertisement:    BP is working to bring more lower carbon energy to the uk like developing offshore wind and we are keeping oil and gas flowing from the North Sea. It's and not all, that's how BP is backing Britain. While today we're mostly an oil and gas, we increase the proportion of our global annual investment that went into our lower carbon and other transition businesses from around 3% in 2019 to around 23% in 2023 bp.com/andnotall.  

FareDrop

Kristin:    00:00:30    Kristin: here, do you love to travel? Do you love getting a good deal even more? And would you like to save up to 80% on international flights then I have some great news for you. FareDrop is a service founded by full-time travelers and creators, Kara and Nate, who you might know and they know a thing or two about getting great travel deals. FareDrop helps you reach your travel goals by finding travel deals that work for you. You just tell at your home airport and dream destinations and it tells you the cheapest flights to get there, including deals in business class every single day. FareDrop goes through tens of millions of flights to find the cheapest ones out there. Then they send those deals that match your preferences directly to your phone or email. How cool is that? Depending on what plan you choose, you can learn about economy or business class deals and seeing us FareDrop members save an average of 80% off standard airfare for international travel. It's a no-brainer. You can easily pay for your entire membership with just one flight and they have an amazing newsletter to boot ready to book your dream trip. Then learn more about FareDrop by using our link in the show notes and make sure to come back and let me know when you land a great flight deal. That's with our FareDrop link in the show notes or at travelingwithKristin.com/FareDrop and save up to 80% on your international flights today.  

Introduction: Welcome to Badass Digital Nomads, where we're pushing the boundaries of remote work and travel, all while staying grounded with a little bit of old school philosophy, self-development, and business advice from our guests.

Kristin:    00:02:30    Hey there, Kristin: Wilson from traveling with Kristin: here and welcome to episode two 60 of Badass Digital Nomads. This is part two of my interview with Nicole Greenfield. So if you missed last week's episode 259 on house sitting and you're interested in how to save money and travel the world without paying for accommodations, then go back and listen to that one after listening to today's episode. But I wanted to split them up because they are quite different. There was a distinct part one and part two talking about house sitting and then the topic that we're talking about today. So I know it's a little bit of a clickbait title and I did leave you hanging on the last episode talking about how this episode is definitely something to listen to if you are from the United States or if you have a lot of friends from the US who are living abroad.  

Kristin:    00:03:29    And it's about voting now. 97% of US citizens living abroad don't vote. And potentially this could be a pattern that's consistent with citizens of all countries who are living outside of their home country. Now voting is not the sexiest topic, but it is something that's really important, especially during such a crazy election year like the United States is having right now. And I wanted to bring this to your attention because I don't think anyone knows that 95% of Americans living abroad don't vote. I certainly didn't know until the last election cycle when I was looking into it and did a lot of research on it. And I have another episode about voting that I will link to in the show notes, but it's just not common knowledge. And what I ended up finding out in in the previous election cycle in the US is that US citizens living abroad are a very large voting block.  

Kristin:    00:04:39    I believe we are the equivalent of something like the 13th biggest state, but definitely big enough to swing elections. So if you are living abroad and you've been watching in horror of the the US elections that you know are still many months away and you thought you know, out of sight, out of mind but you're not living in the US anymore so who cares, then this episode is for you. But also if you're still living in the US and you had no idea that so many Americans abroad didn't vote. And if you are from any country living outside of your home country, uh, potentially maybe you don't vote either. So you know, if you're from Germany or Mexico or Brazil or Canada or whichever country that you're from and you are living abroad as a nomad or an expat and you just forgot about voting because you have more exciting things to do in your life than this episode is also for you as well.  

Kristin:    00:05:42    It's something that I think you know we'll need to talk about for many, many years to really spread awareness. But today's guest, Nicole reached out to me because she came across my old podcast episode and also was struggling to find information on this topic and to find people talking about it. So we're gonna talk about it today and I hope that you learn something new and can share it with your friends, family, other people that you know that are living abroad and let's start this conversation, especially in such a critical year for the US elections. But hopefully we can make this a thing going forward and flip that statistic around so that 95% of us expats vote and have one of the highest voter turnouts in the country rather than the lowest.  

Kristin:    00:06:35    I also want to thank everyone who has left a review so far for our fifth birthday Badass Digital Nomads turned five a couple weeks ago. And to celebrate, we are raffling off a $350 gift card from Tortuga backpacks. In case you missed it, all you have to do is leave a five star review, an honest review on any podcast platform or on our website, Badass Digital Nomads. Take a screenshot of that review and send it to me in an email to hello@travelingwithKristin.com with the subject line podcast review and you will be entered to win. There's also a lot of other ways that you can get extra entries, so I'll link to episode 258 where you can get all of the details and thank you so much for the support. Without further ado, let's jump into today's conversation.  

Podcast Interview:

Kristin:    00:07:42    Now, the way that we connected was through my podcast episode from October of 2020, which was an election year, some of you might remember and that's why we're doing this podcast now in May because it's ahead of the elections in 2020. I published this episode right before the election so it was too late to really have an impact. But this episode was called The Shocking Truth about How US Expats Vote. And I don't even remember how I came across this data, but I voted a couple of times when I lived abroad, but not every time I missed a couple of elections and literally nobody knows that US Citizens Living Abroad are actually one of the largest voting blocks. Yeah. And have the potential to swing elections. But yet last I checked, I think it was 3% of US expats living abroad vote. Have you found anything updated on that?  

Nicole:    00:08:49    That was in 2022. The last midterm elections, it was only 3% of Americans who voted from abroad. And that 3% is also like a very conservative, it's kind of um, out of like they're guesstimating that there's like 4 million Americans who vote abroad, but that's a conservative estimate. So they're only saying 3% of that. So it's like there's probably so many more people that number probably does not consider like digital nomads, which there's millions of us <laugh> and it doesn't consider probably people like just studying abroad like so there's like a whole lot of people  

Kristin:    00:09:20    And I'm sure that millions of people potentially that have been traveling around since the pandemic probably didn't think about how they were going to vote when election season came around. And they'll probably just sit on the sidelines and see what happens because they're living in Lisbon or they're slow traveling somewhere. And you know, when you're in this lifestyle you're just not as connected to the politics which can be give you peace of mind, but it also, there's like a lack of feeling of civic duty. Whereas when you're in the US during an election year, you can't escape people talking about voting. It's really easy to vote in many cases. So where you can vote by mail, you're more likely to vote if you're in the US versus abroad. People who live abroad don't vote. But if we all did vote, we would easily change the outcomes of elections.  

Kristin:    00:10:21    And so just to recap that other episode which I recommend that everybody listen to, which is how Nicole found me to doing some research just to you know, kind of recap that is that nobody in the US media talks about this topic because there's no money in us expats because we don't contribute to political organizations lobbying efforts because that same sentiment of US citizens living abroad kind of forgetting to vote or not feeling obligated or compelled to vote, we also don't donate to political parties. And because of that everyone ignores us, which is the truth of the US political system that operates almost exclusively on money. So this is why I think this topic doesn't get out in the mainstream because there's no monetary influence behind it. There's no special interest related to the expat voting block. And I'm using the term expat very loosely.  

Kristin:    00:11:28    We're just saying people who are temporarily living outside of the US or permanently in some cases. So people who've migrated to other countries, if you have residency in another country and you're living there long term, if you have citizenship there, that would also count. Other problem is that the US government doesn't necessarily count how many citizens are residing abroad because there's no generally accepted definition as to what it means to be abroad. They don't know if we're digital nomads, if we're migrating to other countries, if we're temporary residents, if we're permanent residents. They just don't track that. So anyway, long story short, Nicole, you have figured out that this is an issue and you reached out to me because there's so little information online about this reality and there's just not a big push to get US citizens living abroad to vote. So can you tell us a little bit about how this topic became important to you and how you are trying to help change this situation?  

Nicole:    00:12:41    Growing up like I wasn't really into politics. Like my parents weren't, you know, putting any political views or any of that stuff on me. Like I didn't really care or understand, I just seemed everyone was like angry about it all the time. So I took my like high school civics class, the government class, it was the spring of 2016 so it was quite a time to be learning about politics or learning about the government. 'cause like I didn't know anything about how the government worked. And in that class I actually had a really good friend who was a big Bernie supporter. Like I didn't know anything that was going on, I was learning all this stuff and she was a huge Bernie supporter, like a really staunch like progressive activist. She was like a really huge like inspiration and why I kind of got really interested in this stuff, really opened my eyes to issues and like the whole like feel a burn burning movement.  

Nicole:    00:13:27    And um, but then like we went off to college, did our own thing and uh, a few years ago she tragically passed away in a car accident and it was really horrible. It impacted a lot of people and it maybe realize you don't know how much impact someone has on your life till they're gone. It was really crazy 'cause like I genuinely thought she was someone who's gonna like change the world and stuff. Losing young people kind of propelled my like travel now. 'cause you never know, you know if you're gonna get tomorrow. And so I was like still interested in politics from her and losing her like, like re got my interest in everything. And then once Roe v Wade was overturned in the US in 2022, that's when I was like, I have to do something. Like I need to like do something.  

Nicole:    00:14:10    We need to like get out the vote. We need to like, I need to volunteer. Like I can't just like sit here and like scroll through the media and complain about problems that are happening in the us Like I need to actually like get involved. So like that was kind of like what got me into it and I knew like my friend, like that's, so I got into like activism and organizing when I was in, uh, living in North Carolina and got really into that. And then I knew I was gonna be pursuing this travel lifestyle. So then I was like, oh like I really loved doing all this, you know, <laugh> activism work and working to get out the boat and stuff. But then I was like, how do I do that if I'm like traveling the world? Which was my dream, you know, it was like crazy.  

Nicole:    00:14:48    I was like, oh I'm gonna pursue my dream. But I was like, oh wait, there's this thing I'm really passionate about about and like how do I like, you know, bridge it or like continue doing that. And that's when I guess kind of like the idea of like the nomadic activists came about and also after that midterm in North Carolina there was a runoff election in Georgia and I was like, I work remotely, I'll just go to Georgia for a week. And like how out there. And that made me think like, oh wait, like I could just like go to like high impact places, places where like they need volunteers on the ground and like I have this, you know, remote lifestyle where I can like bring <laugh> myself wherever and I can help out. And like I was surprised there wasn't other digital nomads I guess kind of like on this subject or on that.  

Nicole:    00:15:30    And that's also when I was like, oh well like I was abroad and talking to digital nomads abroad and then went about like learning about the abroad vote and 'cause I was like, oh like I'm gonna be voting abroad, like what's <laugh>? How does that look? And then kind of dug into things and was like, how can I get out like the digital nomad vote and like found all this stuff that I was like only 3% voted <laugh>, like only of millions. And like I kind of get why people outside the US don't vote 'cause it's like, you know, outta sight. I don't mind. So like that's been a big part of what I've been wanting to do, kind of bridging, being a nomad and being an activist, like helping them mobilize like other digital nomads into this realm. But also like getting out the expat vote. 'cause I think we have a lot of power and we're in a unique situation where we can like spread the word because we have a lot of power <laugh>.  

Kristin:    00:16:20    Yes. And it doesn't matter which side you're on, which party you affiliate yourself with. Although I do find the statistic very interesting. I wonder if there's a correlation between the types of people who pursue this lifestyle and their political affiliation. I, I don't remember what the exact statistics are, but it was overwhelmingly democrat, which surprised me. At first I thought it would just be 50 50 but it's not. And I don't know what the current stats are on that. Are you aware of what the split is?  

Nicole:    00:16:58    I'm not aware of like the exacts at the, but it's definitely like people abroad skew left. Uh, more liberal for sure.  

Kristin:    00:17:06    I remember in my research they don't have exact statistics was we don't know how many people are abroad, but of the data that they did have, it was, I wanna say it was 70 or 80% maybe, maybe even 90%. I we need to check, it's in my other podcast episode, which I have the transcript here, I could search it. But what do you think are some ways that we can spread the word? I mean obviously talking about it on this podcast as you were talking, I was thinking of talking to other podcasters that I know in the community and having them talk about it. YouTube of course. But the problem is that not many people click on videos about how to vote <laugh>. You know, nobody's, nobody's desperately searching that. It's like, I'll have to think of a way to present it on YouTube that people don't know what they're going to necessarily be watching.  

Kristin:    00:18:02    Like, like it'll be related to voting somehow, but not like a how to vote from abroad video because no one's searching for that. I've looked on YouTube but the videos that are out have like a few hundred views, maybe a thousand views and they're eight years old. So it needs to be something like the opportunity that 83% of expats miss when they're living abroad or you know, something like that that's more intriguing. But you know, what are your ideas and strategies through your website and your activist work? How are you going about single-handedly bringing awareness to this topic because there aren't that many people working on it other than maybe Republicans and Democrats abroad. Yeah.  

Nicole:    00:18:52    It's really hard. So a lot of it is like let's talk to nomad. Like let's talk to people in our network. You know, kind of starting small, like spreading the word in our networks if you know sort abroad telling them about it. Like you mentioned, it's not the sexiest topic. Like that's like one of my things is like talking about politics, like that's like an icky thing. But like if we were to frame it in like a hey this is how you can make a difference in your community and like how your vote can impact you abroad. Like even though you're abroad. Like the way I look at it is like no matter how far away you run from the us like if you're an American expat or nomad, like no matter how far you run from the us, like it's still going to impact you.  

Nicole:    00:19:31    The US is one of the number one drivers of climate change and like polluting the environment. No matter how far we run, we still live on the same planet. We have a lot of like the solutions and research and technology, but we don't have the political will to implement those solutions. So a lot of it kind of goes down to like with your vote you can help vote for people who are gonna like help the environment and help prevent climate change. In that sense is kind of how I look at it as like a, a way to get people interested or being like, oh wait, so like voting in the US actually does matter. Like climate change is impacting all of us around the world and as Americans abroad people ask us about all those things that happen in the US and you're kind of like representative.  

Nicole:    00:20:13    And often I feel kind of embarrassed to like say I'm an American sometimes 'cause there's these issues and it's like, well you know, something you could do about it is like vote or help other people vote to help get people in office who are gonna like, you know, help prevent climate change or help stop school shootings. Like it's really horrible when you hear these stories and it's like a lot of this stuff seems like so much bigger than who we are. Like, like a lot of these are much, are just like really big heavy issues. Like if we all get together and we spread the word about voting and we get all our friends to vote or also help, I'm a big volunteering for campaigns. Like if there's a candidate or campaign that you're really passionate about or in high impact places, like you can make phone calls and talk to those constituents and that's stuff you don't have to like leave your couch.  

Nicole:    00:20:58    You could send texts with the text bank and stuff. But I think a lot of, with the messaging, like the last part you mentioned is I think we could make it like, hey this is how you can make a difference. Or like you mentioned like, oh yeah, like the 83% of expats are missing out on this thing. Like I, I think just like a lot of like awareness or also how to like make it fun. Let's like have like a vote abroad party. I don't know. I mean 'cause we're everywhere. Let's try to make it not as terrible as it sounds I guess.  

Kristin:    00:21:25    I dunno, maybe it could be something of communicating with remote first organizations. I'm thinking running remote conference. I'm thinking companies like Airbnb or any sort of remote companies that are pioneering remote work that have thousands of people in their workforce and a lot of people that are living abroad. I mean, it's gonna take a lot of people's time and energy to reach out to that and that that's, you know, I don't exactly have a lot of free time, but I do care a lot about this topic. But you know, I think going to the sources of maybe big digital nomad groups on Facebook talking to the moderators, this could be something for you to do if you're looking for ideas, speaking with organizers of nomad crews, of digital nomad events, conferences, people that have big email lists, other influencers and things. Could be some ways. But also, you know, just listening to this podcast, what are some of the easiest ways that people can vote from abroad? What have you been recommending to people?  

Nicole:    00:22:36    Yes. Like my number one resource is votefromabroad.org. It is the best thing out there that can help you vote. Um, you just go in there, you put in your state and you just fill out the form and Bata bing battle boom. So votefromabroad.org is my biggest, like, if you wanna vote, you also wanna just register in advance if you just go ahead, fill that out. Of course a lot of the little stuff varies state by state because our election system's complicated like that. But often you can get like your ballot like email to you, like instead of like things getting like lost in the mail. And so that's like my biggest uh, resource. I, I started reaching out to them about getting out <laugh>, uh, the abroad vote and stuff. 'cause that's a great organization working on that. So I would highly recommend that resource.  

Kristin:    00:23:19    Yeah, maybe I'll have someone from their organization on the show because I only found them because I was searching for information on this topic. It wasn't something that that was well known to me. So I'll have to do a video on this because it's just too important. It wouldn't even be 83%, it would be 97% of expats don't do this or are missing this opportunity. So votefromabroad.org. That's one of the resources I found during the last election cycle. You can also just go to your embassy, like whichever country that you're traveling in right now, you can contact your embassy and ask them how you can vote. You can go to make an appointment, go to the embassy, or you can just go to the state department website, travel, do state.gov and just search voting from abroad. And look at the state department website.  

Kristin:    00:24:16    There's also a site called F-V-A-P like Victor, so F like Frank, V like Victor, A like apple, P like Paul - fvap.gov/citizen-voter. And this is the absentee voting process, but it's really easy. You can just vote by mail. As you mentioned, you can get your ballot email to you. I've been doing it since I think the first year I voted abroad was 2008, I think. But yeah, it does take a few minutes. It's just being aware. So the problem with a lot of online professionals and remote workers, nomads is, let's say it's may right now, you're not necessarily thinking about voting because that's not till November, but it's something to think about now and just get registered, make sure that everything's updated and go ahead and send in your ballot at your earliest possible convenience, especially if you're at home now. Like if you're in your hometown and you want to vote absentee anyway, you don't even have to be abroad.  

Kristin:    00:25:25    You can just vote absentee from, I don't know if it's every state, but most states I think have an absentee voting process. And that's something that I do even when I'm in Florida, because I don't wanna go stand in line. So vote absentee, vote early because you don't know where you're going to be. Come election time if you think it's possible that you might be in, you know, Zimbabwe or something <laugh>, get your, get your ballot in now and spread the word. Actually, I would say to share this episode and also my other episode, which was, I don't have the exact number right now, but we'll add that in the comments. And by just sharing on your Instagram stories, if everyone who's listening to this episode right now, thousands of people, not all of you are from the us Well probably listening to this episode, a lot of you will be from the us but even if half of the people listening to this episode, if everybody posts on your favorite social media platform on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, whatever it is, make a TikTok about it that we need to check this stat.  

Kristin:    00:26:33    But like, oh, I have this stat here. Only 5% of the five to 9 million Americans living abroad turn out to vote only 5%. So if we just spread the word about that, share this podcast, share my old podcast and just ask your friends and your community and your digital nomad community and your Facebook friends and your uh, Instagram followers, whatever it is, we can reach millions of people with the butterfly effect. And I think just bringing this awareness will help in future elections anyway. And that was my goal <laugh> four years ago. But uh, it's not something I've been actively involved in. But the more that this becomes common knowledge, the more that even, you know, maybe the mainstream media will pick up on this. Maybe that's something that you or I can do is reaching out to producers at local news stations to pick up this story.  

Kristin:    00:27:36    Because what I find is that once one story gets out, then all of the other stations pick it up because they don't wanna be the people who aren't covering this topic that some other news station is talking about. So yeah, just making it more common knowledge and um, you know, a lot of people that are living abroad are spending a lot of time online, a lot of time on social media because you're working online or that's like a main way for us to communicate with our friends all around the world. I don't think I even have to mention how many people are hanging out in expat Facebook groups and things like that. So I think that could be really huge, you know, talking to the moderators of Facebook groups and, um, spreading this on social media and that's something that everyone can do. I would say the first thing that everyone listening can do if you are a US citizen is just pause this episode right now and go to VoteFromAbroad.org and see how you can vote from where you are right now or where you will be.  

Kristin:    00:28:40    Or if you're in your hometown, then just go to your local government website and see if you can vote absentee. And then the second thing to do would be to share this episode or share a statistic or share something on your social media that tells other people like, Hey, did you know only 5% of US citizens living abroad vote? And let's start a conversation. Let's, no matter which political party you're with, I think it's important to to vote. And it can be really easy to get disillusioned with the idea of, oh, your vote doesn't matter. Everyone's the same, all the politicians are the same, whatever. You know, maybe that's true, but still we are limited in what we can do as individual constituents unless you want to dedicate your time and your life to service and activism, which not everybody can do, but the bare minimum of what we can do living in a democracy is vote. And so even if you don't feel like your vote matters, just do it anyway. <laugh>. It doesn't take much time and effort and it can make a big difference. So if we were able to just double the turnout to 10%, that would be enough to change the outcome of, of an election.  

Nicole:    00:30:02    Oh yeah.  

Kristin:    00:30:04    I'm hoping that people from other countries are also listening and that you can tell your American friends, and again, we're saying like American and expat, like we mean US citizens. I know people are from other countries in North America, but like, tell your US citizen friends to listen to this episode to vote from a broader, you know, ask them if they're voting or if they're planning on voting. And I know it was just really shocking for me to find out this information. It was shocking to you when you searched online and were trying to find out how you can vote while you're traveling around house sitting the world. And I'm sure it's coming as a shock to a lot of you who are listening right now that didn't know this before, unless you happen to catch that episode four years ago. But otherwise, this is not something, as you mentioned, Nicole, that's coming out in any sort of media headlines or general conversation on social media. So really, uh, appreciate you reminding me <laugh> of this important topic and share with us your, your website, nomadactivist.com or nomadicactivist.com, anywhere else that people can connect with you if they have specific questions or want to support and follow the work that you're doing or connect with you. Yeah,  

Nicole:    00:31:29    For sure. I am a nomadic.activist on Instagram. I post a lot of videos kind of bridging like nomadic lifestyle and activism and how like we can learn from other countries. And I'm also about to make, uh, about to put up some videos about, uh, voting from abroad and my experience just voting from abroad. So Nomadic Activist. And then on TikTok, Nomadic Activist, I have like separated my, like I have like an account for like nomadic activists and then I have like a house sitting like travel like information account so that you can find Nomadically Nicole on Instagram or Nomadically Nicole on TikTok. I also have stuff on like YouTube that I throw on there, but I would say I'm mainly active on like Instagram and TikTok, uh, kind of getting out all this information because this stuff's really important. And then also, yeah, my website, I just launched nomadicactivist.com.  

Nicole:    00:32:15    I'm hoping to launch like a community and get other digital nomads involved where we can help make a difference no matter where we are. And then I know a lot of us, like we're talking about like the US election, but I would love to work with like other people who might be, you know, British and wanna get out the vote for the UK election or like there's also a Canadian election. You know, I kind of wanna make this like a global effort of like, let's raise awareness work together to let's make a difference. Let's, let's, let's get out the vote, let's double, like you mentioned, let's double the number. Like let's get like 10% or 15%.  

Kristin:    00:32:45    Yeah, well that's a good point about other countries, which I think I mentioned that a little bit in my last episode. This is probably the same scenario in any country. So, you know, whether you're from Malaysia or Germany, wherever you're from, wherever you're listening to this in the world, Japan, Australia, it's likely that your country also has a very low expat voter turnout. Now, some countries are better at tracking how many citizens are living abroad, especially the uk. So your country might even have more data than the US does on how many citizens are living abroad. But if this is something that fires you up regardless of what country you're from, then you could be the point person to get the word out about voter turnout in your own country and how that can impact elections in your home country. So this is not exclusively a u US issue by any means.  

Kristin:    00:33:46    It's just something that, you know, us being US citizens, this being an election year, this being a very contentious election as usual in the United States with repeat candidates, which we don't even need to talk about because everybody knows <laugh> who's running for president here. You know, this is something that, uh, is, it's a big deal right now, but it's also a big deal in everybody's country. So we don't wanna diminish that whatsoever. I wish I could be that person for everyone and help the voter turnout in every single country, but we need everybody to get involved. And the more people from more countries that are doing this, the better. You just reminded me, or this conversation just reminded me to reach out to SafetyWing as well as they're building a global safety net. They're involved in a lot of different topics for digital nomads from health insurance and travel medical insurance to remote worker insurance. They're building a digital country on the internet, so maybe we'll be voting in that country someday as well. But I'll also reach out to them and see if they want to send out a newsletter or if they are, maybe they are involved in some way and we can all work together as well. So as usual, check the show notes, everyone for all the resources that we mentioned. Register to vote today, vote from abroad, share this episode, talk to your friends and let's make a change.  

Nicole:    00:35:16    Heck yes, let's do it still. Kristin:  

Kristin:    00:35:19    <laugh>, thank you Nicole for coming on this show and we will be in touch on the internet. Awesome.  

Nicole:    00:35:26    It was so nice to meet you. I love your show and everything, so thank you so much for having me.  

Kristin:    00:35:31    Thank you so much. Wow. You know, even having known about this for the past four or five years, it still really takes my breath away to think that only 3%, probably even less of us expats living abroad vote. And what frustrates me the most is how ignored we are by the US media, by political parties, and by organizations that are working to get out the vote other than Republicans and Democrats abroad. And that the reason is most likely because US expats don't donate to political parties and organizations. So it kind of all comes back to money. So I feel like they don't want us to vote or they don't care if we vote. And the way that we can shake things up is to vote because no one's expecting us to do so. So check the show notes as I mentioned for everything that we talked about today and remember to participate in our fifth anniversary review drive and leave a review for the podcast to enter to win that $350 Tortuga gift card. Thanks for tuning in with me today, and I will see you again next week. We have a great episode about mistakes expats make when they move abroad and also an interview with someone who I've been wanting to have on the podcast for at least the last three or four years. So you won't wanna miss that.  

Speaker 0    00:37:20    BP is working to roll out ev charging hubs in the UK and we are keeping oil and gas flowing from the North Sea. It's, and not all, that's how BP is backing Britain. While today we're mostly in oil and gas, we increased the proportion of our global annual investment that went into our lower carbon and other transition businesses from around 3% in 2019 to around 23% in 2023. bp.com/andnotall.