Becoming a Digital Nomad in your 50's with Palle Bo, The Radio Vagabond

Kristin:    00:00:11    Hi everybody. Hello from Brazil. We're here in Porto. Dega has Brazil, just south of the town of Recife, and we're hanging out after Nomad Cruise 7. I'm here with Palle Bo, the Radio Vagabond, and you are watching Traveling with Kristin. So Palle and I were both on Nomad Cruise, seven from Barcelona to Brazil. So we just spent two weeks on a boat together with about 490 other digital nomads and aspiring digital nomads. And now we're hanging out having tropical fruit drinks here at the beach. And I really wanted to bring him on our show, which is Badass Digital Nomads, because he's such a badass. And he has a very unique journey of deciding after having a traditional life with the wife and kids and the whole deal, he decided he wanted to transition into becoming a digital nomad. So at age 50, he sold everything he owned, and he's on a quest to visit every single country in the world. And what number is this?  

Palle:    00:01:16    73. I think  

Kristin:    00:01:18    He's past me. I've only been to like 60 countries. He's been to 73 countries and he just has,  

Palle:    00:01:24    But I come from Europe, so I can easily  

Kristin:    00:01:27    Oh, right. Yeah. But he is been on an amazing journey, and he has the unique perspective of basically having his cake and eating it too, coming from a traditional background, selling everything, and now being a nomadic Radio Vagabond. And there's a lot that we can all learn from this and also how you guys can learn to transition into becoming a digital nomad. So welcome Palle.  

Podcast Interview:

Palle:    00:01:52    Thank you to your humble home here.  

Kristin:    00:01:54    Or should I say thank you for having me at your home?  

Palle:    00:01:58    <laugh>. I don't even stay here. Home <laugh>. Let's just pretend.  

Kristin:    00:02:02    I would love to hear, uh, from the beginning, kind of, uh, take us back to a day in your life, um, before you became a digital nomad. Um, so you had a family in Denmark and you were working how many hours a week? What was your typical day like? And take us to that moment when you decided, I think that there's something else that I would want to do. I think there's something more. And what was that like for you? Where did this moment originate from?  

Palle:    00:02:34    Yeah. Well, it's, uh, it's a bit of a, a, a journey in itself. Uh, I, like you said, I had a traditional life, but, but it's always been something that I wanted. I've been lucky enough to be able to work with my passion, which is, uh, radio and sound design. Uh, actually my background is graphic design, something I also liked. Uh, so then I started that radio station with, uh, a couple of, uh, young friends and, uh, went through that whole journey. And he was actually standing on another beach in, uh, Cannes, in the southern part of France during Cannes Lions that I spoke to a, a friend of mine that just came back from two years in Cape Town, uh, wrote a book down there and came back and said that it was amazing to be out. And then I said, at some points, when my kids move out of the house, I'd like to try to live a couple of years in another country and maybe, maybe in a, in a country where I could, um, try to do radio and English as well, because then is such a small language.  

Palle:    00:03:36    And, uh, I wanted to play ball with the big guys. And then he just said, you, you have, you have to go to Cape Town because first of all, it's the greatest place in, in the world, and it's so beautiful that people are friendly and, uh, it's a great place to be. But then at the same time, they do great radio and some of the best radio advertising comes outta South, South Africa. So they're very, very, very, they're very good in, in radio. So I thought, yeah, maybe, maybe it's gonna be Cape Town that I'm gonna be in. And I didn't plan to go nomadic. Mm-Hmm. I just planned to go somewhere to live for maybe two years and then go back.  

Kristin:    00:04:13    I haven't even been there, by the way. So now I'm like, oh, I missed the best place.   

Palle:    00:04:17    Big state. Yeah. And, and having been there now, I agree it, it is the, it is my favorite place. But then, uh, a friend of mine, another friend of mine said, um, you should go and try it out. See what it's like before you start to just immigrate to Cape Town without ever having been there. Fair point. So go there a few months, see what it's like, not just a week, but a few months so you can feel what it's like to live there. And I did that in 2013, January and February. And, and that was actually where it dawned on me, oh my God, my clients, which at that time was mainly Danish, um, advertising agencies and, um, and brands in Denmark. And they didn't care where I was. Um, that's where it really clicked on me that, oh my God, I can work, I can actually be, be a nomad with this job that I have, which is producing, uh, radio commercials and podcasts and stuff for clients.  

Kristin:    00:05:14    And what year was that?  

Palle:    00:05:15    In the 13th. Oh, okay. 20. So then when I came home, I thought, well, Cape Town's wonderful. And I, I definitely want to go back, but there's so many other places I haven't been to. I've traveled a lot and I've even been some to some far away countries, uh, but with a base in Denmark. I've been to Greenland twice, um, Iran, Iraq, uh, India, all for, for work, and of course all over Europe. Yeah. Uh, so I thought, there's so many places. I've never been to South America. I've never been to the Far East. So I thought, why settle with one place? So I put on a world mat that I printed out in my kitchen. I was working outta my house at the time, and then every time I took a cup of coffee, I took the pen and then just made a.in the map.  

Palle:    00:06:01    And all of a sudden I could see this map with a lot of dots. And that was two and a half years before my youngest would graduate and move out Uhhuh. So I had a lot of time planning and I planned the crap out of it. Yeah. It was, uh, it was very, very detailed where I wanted to be in those two years that I wanted to travel. Yeah. Because for me, it was still two years actually in the beginning. I, I called it, I called my project around the world in 80 weeks, ah. Which just had a funny ring to it. And, but that's only a year and a half. So I thought that's, that's not enough. So it was two years and then it was four years, and now it's more open ended after I started traveling. And of course my, my detailed plan two weeks into that, it was out the way <laugh>, it's, it's, I've never in there gone back to it. Yeah. So, yeah. Wow. But I, I don't regret having planned because that put me in a mental state of, and I did a lot of research on the different countries and, uh, whenever it was my birthday or Christmas, and people said, what do you want? I said, travel books. Nice. So I have a ton of travel books, which by the way, is in storage with my, so that's the only two things my books and my vinyl says.   

Kristin:    00:07:13    So everything else is gone.  

Palle:    00:07:15    Everything else. Yeah.  

Kristin:    00:07:16    So there's a couple things I wanna focus on there because, um, I have a Facebook Group, it's called Long-Term Digital Nomad Success. And there are quite a few couples and families in there. And I am single, and I don't have kids. So it's hard for me sometimes to, um, give advice from the perspective of someone who has a family or is in a relationship. And there's a lot of people who always say, uh, I'm waiting for my kids to graduate and then I can go travel. And so I wanna touch on that for a second. And then also, um, how, how your mindset was kind of leading this journey because you, well, a few things. You came up with these ideas, it didn't work out. You changed gears, you did something new, and you weren't afraid that, okay, now it's not around the world in 80 weeks or now my plan for two weeks is different for like the rest of my, uh, year, and then maybe I don't wanna travel for one year or two years.  

Kristin:    00:08:18    Maybe this can keep going. And so I definitely wanna bring just into the mind of the viewers how it's okay if your plan doesn't go as planned, and how this can kind of be an evolution. As long as you keep an open mindset, you can just go with the flow. And what starts as like a seed of an idea can turn into something completely different. And I did not know this about you. Like I thought that you had this all from the beginning. Like, I'm going to be a radio, um, the Radio Vagabond, this is my brand, this is my podcast. I'm gonna travel all around the world and do this. And I had no idea that it just started from, from this idea of maybe, um, maybe I don't have to work from home, or maybe I can go to one place, Cape Town, or maybe I can go to a few different places, or maybe I can do this for one year or two years.  

Kristin:    00:09:06    And that is just case in point, like the evolution of the digital nomad, in my opinion, in how so many of us kind of, uh, came upon this lifestyle indirectly. Mm-Hmm. And how, how, that's okay. So I'm really glad that you said that because it's such a great example for people who aren't sure what their next step is, can look back at your journey and see how it all happened. And now it seems like normal life and it seems, uh, commonplace, but it was quite controversial a few years ago. And, and it still is when you bring this up to your family and friends, they might have some objections and things like that. So it's still not exactly the norm. Um, so yeah. What, how did you explain this to your, your kids and your friends and family? You're like, sorry guys, I am gonna go around the world. Like were they worried for your safety or,  

Palle:    00:10:03    Yeah, some, some were, but not so much. And, uh, I'm, I'm bringing weapons, uh, my common sense and my smile. So that's, uh, that's the way I, when it comes to safety. And then not walk down a dark alley in the middle of the night, but not also not being afraid. So keeping an open mind and, and anything can happen crossing the street no matter where you are. So, uh, yeah. But actually when I started sharing the idea with, uh, some of my friends, uh, one friend of mine that had built this big company and, um, just bought a Jaguar and, uh, it was five years after I started my company, uh, and he said, oh, you should go travel now, now, now your company's taking off. You can go travel when you retire. Uh, and he may be right that I would probably be able to make more money if I stayed in Denmark being closer to clients and maybe started hiring staff and building a bigger company.  

Palle:    00:11:04    But for me, that's, that's not necessarily being rich. Yeah. I wanna be rich in so many other ways and, uh, in memories because I think I can't bring a jaguar into the, the hole <laugh>. Right. I can bring my memories. And, and that's, that's more important to me. Obviously, I still need to, to make money in order to, uh, to survive. And, uh, you can go from place to place, but no matter, so many people think that this lifestyle is so expensive, but it doesn't have to be. And in fact, I, I made a blog post where I told all about my, my, my financial situation. Mm-Hmm. and how much money I spend on transportation and accommodation, and those two, um, items i, I compare with what I had of fixed expenses. Yeah. For house and car and insurance and heating, because it's cold in Denmark. Yeah. And, uh, and water and cable and everything that goes into having a house. All my fixed expenses and my expenses now are almost half of what they were before. Yeah. So this lifestyle, sitting here in Brazil, looking at the beach right here with, uh, a lot of nice people, uh, it's costing me less money than, than, than when I lived in Denmark.  

Kristin:    00:12:23    Yeah, I know. That's actually, I was just talking about that earlier today, um, with a couple other nomads and they were saying, you know, what are the biggest expenses and how can I, you know, how can people afford to travel? What are your major tips for that? And they said that in many cases, it's just the startup expenses. It's just the, the airfare and your accommodation. And if you, you're in a long term rental, it's your security deposit in your first month's rent. And that many people, this is why one of the reasons why I'm such a proponent of slow travel, because the biggest time and money expense Yeah. In the digital nomad lifestyle is getting from point A to point B. Yeah. It's not really producing anything other than a different scenery or maybe a different experience. But, um, yeah, it's just getting there and then staying there.  

Palle:    00:13:14    And at the same time, I'm actually kind of happy that I come from one of the countries where everything is expensive. 'cause that makes it feel cheap when no matter where I go, I wish I was from Norway.  

Kristin:    00:13:26    Yeah, you're from Norway, everything's cheap. Or Iceland actually.  

Palle:    00:13:29    Yeah. Or Switzerland. Those, the, the, the top three. But Denmark's very fairly expensive as well. And, uh, and that's also the living expenses of, of being, even though obviously I eat more in restaurants that I, yeah. When I lived in Denmark, uh, even though I, I enjoy cooking. So whenever I can, I try to get a, a place for the kitchen, but I'm spending less money. And then another thing, when you have a house or an apartment, you tend, I tend to buy stuff. I maybe didn't need <laugh>. I would, I had so much kitchen, kitchen machines and Yeah.  

Kristin:    00:14:05    Stuff. Yeah. You wouldn't be the only one  

Palle:    00:14:07    <laugh> nice. Decorating things for the, for the living room and all that. So you, you, you buy stuff that you maybe don't need just because you have a place to put it. Yeah. And I travel with a backpack, so I, the only thing I buy is the occasional T-shirt. I don't buy any souvenirs. Yeah. I don't buy anything, even though I see something that's nice and I, oh, that would be nice, but where would I put it?  

Kristin:    00:14:28    Yeah, exactly. So, and part of me feels like I wish that I had collected some things like art and stuff throughout all of my travels, but to this day, I don't have a house stored in. So it would just be Yeah, yeah. You know, just to be in my storage unit or whatever. Um, yeah. You know, I think that something I hadn't thought of so much until recently is that why do people think travel is so expensive? And the reason is because the way that society is structured, most people are consuming it on a short term basis. Yeah. And that means they're paying a premium. Yeah. And so instead of, uh, spending money on monthly accommodation or yearly accommodation, it's daily accommodation. Um, and so instead of shopping at the grocery store and eating out, you're just paying more for everything. And because people have, it's like a scarcity model because people have a limited amount of time to take holiday one week, two weeks, if you're lucky, one month, then they almost have a mindset of like, okay, I'm gonna splurge because this is my annual vacation.  

Palle:    00:15:31    That too?  

Kristin:    00:15:32    Yeah. And that's like, we need to flip things around. And, um, which is what I think a lot of nomads are doing, is being able to show that you can just have a balanced lifestyle where you get to travel whenever you want, and you might not be retired, but you have the flexibility of traveling and experiencing new places with not only not spending the amount of money that it would cost to go on vacation, but actually spending less in many cases. And, and, and extreme cases where you come from Scandinavia and go to someplace very affordable, like Southeast Asia or Eastern Europe, you could spend a fraction of your income, but have a higher quality of life. Yeah. And this, this can be actually like within reach for normal people like you and I who just figured it out eventually after trial and error.  

Palle:    00:16:19    But then again, uh, this lifestyle maybe is for everybody, because some people, they, they, they, they like, they like to have the base. Yeah. And, and I, I spoke to some of the, the people that were on the Nomad cruise and, uh, still having a, a place somewhere but travels a lot. Yeah. And, and maybe it's a person that's location independence, so they technically could, but they enjoy coming back and saying, oh, now I sleep in my own bed. Yeah. I have my stuff on the walls. And I, and they enjoy having that. And I totally respect it. I don't miss it personally. Uh, but, but I totally respect, uh, and I don't think necessarily in that I'm cooled because I, because I travel. Uh, and I have to remember that and remind myself  

Kristin:    00:17:05    About that. Yeah. I actually tell my clients that as well. I say like, you don't have to travel forever. Not only that, but I wrote an article called, you don't have to Travel to be a Digital Nomad. You can just be nomadic from your house so you don't have to travel. Having the option to travel is nice, but for people who are traveling perpetually, um, I think it's important that each person finds their, their rhythm of travel. And that can change as well. Like, for me, sometimes I wanna go fast and sometimes I wanna take three months, six months in one place. Sometimes I've spent years in the same country and become an expat. And it's like just being able to go with the, with the flow. And then if you go to a place that you really love, like Cape Town being able to go back there Yeah. Again, and, and visit it again. So now that you've been traveling for two years, or how long?  

Palle:    00:17:56    Yeah. Two years and five months.  

Kristin:    00:17:58    Do you miss any of the things that you sold? And how long do you think you'll be traveling and like, what is the next, um, end game or what's the next step in your vision? Is this a permanent thing or do you go back in some form to your regular life? 

Palle:    00:18:17   I, My, I have two daughters now. Uh, and, and just to answer your question from, from before, I don't think I did that. I think both my daughters, I think that it's cool what I do. Oh, yeah. And they come out and visit me. I have my youngest travel with me from in Asia. And, uh, and I speak more to them now than we did when we lived in the same house. Um, maybe not, uh, speak speak, but, uh, at least to chat on the Yeah. Messenger or, or whatever. And, and, and do speak a lot. So I'm very much a part of their life and they follow my life and, and I don't feel the distance that I thought I might Mm-Hmm. But, uh, they're 22 and 24 right now. So what I say typically is I'm gonna keep traveling full-time, uh, until one of them starts producing grandchildren for <laugh>.  

Palle:    00:19:03    Uh, and, and they, they told me, uh, that it's not gonna be anytime soon. So my guess would be another 10, 15 years of, uh, traveling full time. But then I will never get the big house again. I'll just get a tiny house or a small apartment. Uh, so I can still travel a lot. Yeah. As long as I can, I can still walk and, uh, have my health. Uh, I want to, I want to travel as much as I can, but, but the, the, it wasn't my plan to travel this long when even when I started, uh, at the whole traveling for every country in the world came after a few months of traveling, uh, where I thought, why not? Why not go for the mall? Uh mm-Hmm. I don't know if I, I'll ever get there, but it's my goal, uh, because there are so many countries in Africa and, and some Yeah. Can be both, uh, difficult and and pricey to, to visit. But I, I wanna see as much as I possibly can. And, uh, hopefully I will succeed one day.  

Kristin:    00:20:02    That's cool. Well, even if you don't succeed at seeing every country, you're succeeding in life and in following your intuition and passion. And so I think that's enough, especially sharing everything with the world through your podcast. So I wanna touch on that. Um, first I apologize to my mom and grandma for not producing any grandkids yet, or great grandkids, but maybe in another 10 years, <laugh>. Um, so yeah, tell us a little bit about, uh, your podcast. So actually I have two questions. Um, now that you've been doing this, first, do you see yourself retiring in the traditional sense? Or do you think that you'll always work in some way to like, stay active?  

Palle:    00:20:48    I, I think more or less I'll die with a microphone in my hand  

Kristin:    00:20:51    Until, like right now, <laugh> until  

Palle:    00:20:53    I do the microphone drop <laugh>.  

Kristin:    00:20:58    I love that. Yeah.  

Palle:    00:20:59    I, and, and also, I, I don't really have anything put aside for retiring. It's, it's not, it's not a part of my vocabulary to, to, to retire. I enjoy what I do and I don't feel it's work. Yeah. It's something I enjoy doing. And, and, uh, as long as I, I have my voice in my hearing, I, I hope that I can, I can keep doing it. 'cause I really enjoy doing it.  

Kristin:    00:21:24    I love that perspective. I'm actually writing a blog about it right now that's like, like retirement is dead. That's the old way of thinking these days. It's just about doing what you like or having the resources to generate income at any time in your life. Like think about 20, 30 years from now, there will be so many more ways of generating income compared to even today.  

Palle:    00:21:47    I can understand if, if it's, uh, somebody that has a hard physical or right. Mentally hard work where it, it, it, it feels like work. I can, I can definitely understand that they at some point say, okay, I want to retire. And yeah. And, uh, live the, uh, the retirement, uh, thing and, uh, enjoy that because that's, uh, sort of been the character that maybe a lot of people have have, uh, strived for. Okay. The day's coming closer for me, that's not the case. And it's funny when I say that thing that I'm gonna keep traveling and for 10, 15 years, I completely forget that in 10, 15 years time, I'm the normal retirement age.  

Kristin:    00:22:27    Oh, right.  

Palle:    00:22:28    <laugh>. Uh, and oh my God, I never thought of that.  

Kristin:    00:22:31    Yeah. Or even changing gears  

Palle:    00:22:34    This age that I have  

Kristin:    00:22:35    Right now. Right. Can we all do that please. <laugh> getting up there. But yeah, I think even if you have a very laborious job that you wanna quit doing, like physical work, the option to be able to do a passion project or something, or even for people like, let's say they wanna learn how to podcast and they're 65 and they're retiring, like, I think that's really compelling as well to know that we still have things that we can learn. And I even think about, um, I saw I love music and I want to learn how to dj. I've always wanted to learn for my whole life. And I only started doing it this year and I saw an article that there's a woman in Japan who's like 90 years old or 88 years old. She rides her bike to the club and DJs a full set until like four in the morning. And I'm like, wow. You know, if I don't get it done this year, then maybe even 20, 30 years from now, if I wanna pick it up and be like, out DJing in a club somewhere, I can do that. It doesn't matter how old you are. <laugh>.  

Palle:    00:23:35    Yeah. I just, just before coming here, I was listening to the radio program and they talk about, do you remember George Morda? No. A musician, uh, from the nineties and eighties, and he's 75 years old now, and he's about to go on tour, and he took up DJing last year.  

Kristin:    00:23:54    Oh  

Palle:    00:23:55    My God, that is so cool. Yeah.  

Kristin:    00:23:56    So I need to Google him. Yeah, that's inspiration for sure. <laugh>. And so what are the types of things that you're, uh, sharing with the world through your, your podcast? Um, talk a little bit about some of like the format of what your, uh, how you're packaging this, how you are aiming to share visually and to kind of sensory experiences with your audience. Just through, uh, recordings like Mm-Hmm, sounds and, and your voice and interviews. You  

Palle:    00:24:28    See this, this microphone. I have it in my hand almost all the time. And, uh, it really, it records stereo. So this is my, this is my thing. I, I use, uh, this for, for everything. And, uh, I record a lot, uh, sound effects from the beach or from walking down the ports last night and, and from the cruise and wherever I am, because sounds, uh, can say so much. You get the feeling of what it's like in a place by hearing local languages and Mm-Hmm. maybe there's a mosque over here. And when I'm in Morocco that I'm able right now, or, uh, you, you, you get a feeling, okay, this sounds different than what I'm, I'm I'm used to. And then I try to tell stories of what happens on my journey. Um, 'cause the podcast is basically about what happens to me as I travel through all these countries so people can join me on the journey without leaving home.  

Palle:    00:25:25    And, uh, and then I speak to people I meet sometimes I, I do also do an interview series, uh, where I interviewed you and, and many others from, from the ship that, but nomads and, and travel bloggers that can inspire. But that's sort of a separate thing. Uh, but my normal, um, podcast is about the journey and the country and the destination. So it can be an Uber driver, it can be someone I meet in a cafe. It can be a tour guide, it can be someone telling me, when you go to this city, you make sure that you speak to this person. Mm-Hmm. Like when I was in, in Boston, I, somebody from Denmark says, oh, my father used to have a girlfriend that wrote a book about a heist in the museum in Boston. And she's got an interesting story. Wow. So it, it comes in very many different ways. And all of a sudden I see myself sitting in her living room having her story. So that's also a part of what enriches me and my travel is that, uh, that I, I do this podcast because it gives me an excuse, right. To speak to some interesting people.  

Kristin:    00:26:33    Wow. That just gave me a flashback of just a month or so ago, I was in London and I was going to film with another, a travel video blogger, videographer. And in the Uber on the way there, I was trying to figure out this gimbal, and the Uber driver was like, looking in the rear view mirror, like, what is that? And I explained, and it turned out that he was, uh, working with content creators in LA and he was flying from London to LA to like, create music for these, um, bloggers and all these cool people. And he gave me somebody's contact there, and he's like, you guys should talk. And I think he can collaborate. And it's just, I don't know, it's so many synchronicities when you travel. And to think back at like the, the little things along the way that made that outcome possible is always so shocking to me. Like the fact that I saw this guy on Instagram and I reached out to him to interview him for my channel because I am looking for cool people to talk to about their experiences, to share with, with my audience. And then through that, to meet an Uber driver who's Yeah. Has we have mutual friends in la It's just this, this is the way that the world is always surprising me. Yeah.  

Palle:    00:27:54    And also, um, I get a lot of friend requests on, on Facebook and also from people I don't really know. And maybe a lot of people, they just decline, decline, decline, decline. But I, I try to see, okay, who is this? Yeah. Do we have mutual friends or what does he or she does? And just before going to Albania, I got a request from a guy works in the travel industry that, and he stumbled on my name somewhere, uh, when it comes to travel. And just without really thinking about it, send me a friend request. And then I wrote back to him and said, Hey man, I'm coming to Ana soon. Um, do you think we can go for a cup of coffee? And we ended up spending so much time together, and he's now a very close friend of mine. Wow. Just out of the blue, getting a, a face, uh, Facebook, uh, friend festival. Yeah. And yeah, you, you never know where it comes from. And, uh, I try to keep an open mind and, um, and, and of course be aware because I was she trying to scam me. You always had that thought. But, uh, basically I'm, I, I believe in the best in people.  

Kristin:    00:29:03    Well, you've definitely inspired me to start documenting even more and whip my camera out or my iPhone. I might not have this cool recorder, but Yeah. I, I mean, I'm just so inspired to, to do more and create more and listening to the clips of your podcast from walking through markets or through the south and like Louisiana and all kinds of things. It's just a reminder that we're all just regular people, but everybody still has like, extraordinary stories to share. And if we have the opportunity now with technology to be able to share and distribute the things that happen that used to be so secret and limited in our travels, it's like, why wouldn't we? So.  

Palle:    00:29:51    Yeah,  

Kristin:    00:29:51    That's, um, it's like humbling opportunity to be able to do that.  

Palle:    00:29:57    And I try to get more and more into broadcasting as well, but it can be whatever medium, uh, people like if Yeah. If it's, if video, it's video, if it's writing, it might be a blog or something else. Or if it's just talking, get hold of a, a small microphone and start recording stuff, uh, and put it into a podcast. It's, it's so easy. Great. On the cruise, I, I, I did a session, a workshop about that, how to start a podcast and, uh, I really try to inspire people to do it. Uh, you gotta have more podcasts out there.  

Kristin:    00:30:28    Yes, definitely.  

Palle:    00:30:28    Even as if they enough,  

Kristin:    00:30:30    I know you put me on the spot too, you're like, when is your podcast launching? And why don't you put this into a podcast? So all I'll have to set a deadline for that <laugh>. Yeah.  

Palle:    00:30:38    Because who, who wants to watch this?  

Kristin:    00:30:40    Right? Uh, you know, people say like, you really have a face for radio, or you really have a voice  

Palle:    00:30:46    For this. That's what I've been told all the time,  

Kristin:    00:30:48    But it doesn't matter what you look like, guys like Casey Neistat that says that, that he, everyone told him he was too ugly for video and whatever, and he's like, oh yeah, super successful. So I actually used to think that I used to hate my voice. I used to think it was too squeaky and that I wasn't like skinny enough or whatever, pretty enough to be on video and on a travel show. And now thankfully I'm over that, that it doesn't matter, <laugh>. But it  

Palle:    00:31:11    Is so funny when it comes to, uh, to voices. Uh, one of the most admired voices when it comes to radio and podcasts is Ira Glass who does, uh, this American life. And a lot of people try to emulate the way he speaks. Oh. And he's, he's got a funny way of speaking. Oh. And he's not got the best voice. So I'm, I, I heard an interview with him recently where, uh, he talked about this, that so many people wants to sound like him. And it's so funny because his voice is not great.  

Kristin:    00:31:44    Yeah. I think everyone should just sound like themselves. Yeah, exactly. Basically. And, and find their own way. Like I could never copy your voice. I could try, but it would be weird. <laugh>  

Palle:    00:31:56    Try.  

Kristin:    00:31:57    Okay. Thank you for watching  

Palle:    00:31:59    <laugh>  

Kristin:    00:32:00    Traveling with Kristin <laugh>. Well, do you have any, uh, any last words of advice for people who are, uh, at home and thinking about traveling and then where can they listen to your travels?  

Palle:    00:32:13    Well, my travels is, as you said, it's, it's called the Radio Vagabond. Oh, okay. And,  

Kristin:    00:32:19    Uh, product placement.  

Palle:    00:32:20    Product placement, <laugh>. And, uh, it's, it's just looking for the Radio Vagabond in, in any podcast app or wherever you get your podcast, make sure that you write the radio bag, not radio, because otherwise you get the Danish one un unless you're Danish. If you're Danish, leave out the, the, but, right. You know what I mean? Uh, you can also go to the theradiovagabond.com.  

Kristin:    00:32:40    Super cool. Okay. And, um, yeah, any words of advice for people who have wanted to travel but thought they were too old or it was too late, or they didn't have enough money or something like that?  

Palle:    00:32:52    I'm living proof that it's never too late.  

Kristin:    00:32:54    Never. Uh,  

Palle:    00:32:56    And, uh, and when it, when it comes to money, uh, well live on the cheap. I, I live fairly cheap and, uh, I even do dorm rooms and private rooms and Airbnb and a lot of house sitting. So I try, I try, try not to spend a lot of money. I make less money than I did when I lived in Denmark, but I don't need, uh, to, to make so much so,  

Kristin:    00:33:18    So  

Palle:    00:33:18    You just try it out. And if it doesn't work, because when I started traveling, I thought, how do I, how do I know that I'm gonna like this? But then if, if I don't like it, I can always just go back.  

Kristin:    00:33:30    Yeah, exactly. I say that all the time and  

Palle:    00:33:32    Go to Ikea and get some more  

Kristin:    00:33:34    Yeah. Collect experiences, not stuff. And, and it's never too late to start, even if you don't start, the time's gonna pass anyway. So who cares how long it takes. Just do it. And thank you so much probably for coming on, sharing your story with everyone, and we get to see you in, in color and not just listen to your very amazing radio voice. This is in color <laugh>. And we, and thank you guys. Thank you for watching this episode of DIGITAL NOMAD TV. Badass Digital Nomads here on Traveling with Kristin. Um, what do you think of this journey? Um, would you start a new career or a new life traveling at 50, 60, 75 years old? Let us know in the comments. And like this video, give it a thumbs up. Share it with your friends, subscribe, subscribe, subscribe for more videos, travel blogs, and interviews from all around the world as I take you behind the scenes in the digital nomad lifestyle. So long for now from Brazil, Bye.