118 Countries and Counting: Ageless Wisdom from a 58-Year-Old Digital Nomad

Sneak Peek:

Kristin:    00:00:00    The reality of the matter is that our time on this planet is finite. And whether it's an experience at a cafe with someone, or at a park, or on a boat, or on a Zoom call or whatever, it's like we only have so many of these experiences, and it's a big decision, and it's a big responsibility to choose how you wanna spend your time and where you wanna spend it. And it is also a reminder of how fleeting our time is, and to make the most of it. 

Introduction: Welcome to Badass Digital Nomads, where we're pushing the boundaries of remote work and travel, all while staying grounded with a little bit of old school philosophy, self-development, and business advice from our guests.

Kristin Wilson, Host:    00:00:49    Hey there, Kristin, from Traveling with Kristin, and welcome to episode 225 of Badass Digital Nomads. My guest today really needs no introduction as he is none other than the one and only Palle Bo, who is also known as The Radio Vagabond and Palle, was on episode number seven of Badass Digital Nomads back in 2018, where we had a conversation from the beach in Brazil with Sunset drinks. And so I will link to that episode and also the video version of it for you in the show notes, as it was, uh, quite the setup there. But Palle is a long, longtime radio producer from Denmark who has a traditional background in advertising and started working in radio back in the eighties. And he's had a host of different jobs throughout his career, but he's currently living the dream as the founder, owner and CEOof Radio Guru, which is a production and consulting company where he helps develop radio campaigns and produces podcasts and does sound design for companies while traveling the globe and Travel.  

Kristin:    00:02:07    He has, because Palle has been to twice as many countries as me, I think he said that in the past year, he's been to more than 100 countries, 115 countries total in seven years and 48 states. And he travels faster than anyone I know, except maybe Matt Bulls. They both travel pretty quickly, Matt from The Maverick Show, and in the last year he stayed in 102 different places in more than 30 countries. So we're gonna talk about how he does that in today's episode, and also how he plans his trips, how he sustains this lifestyle. And then we get a bit philosophical or a lot philosophical at the end, talking about what is the meaning of all of this, this and the contrasts between fast travel and slow travel in the sense of how do you experience these places, how do you get to know a place, and then kind of the melancholy realization of just passing through places.  

Kristin:    00:03:16    So we're going deep on this one. I absolutely love this conversation and I hope that you enjoy it as well. And it gives you a lot of tips and insight into how you can start and sustain a travel lifestyle of your dreams in your fifties and beyond. So enjoy today's conversation with Palle Bo. And as you will hear later in the episode when Palle Travels, he does a lot of road trips. And so that's why today on the episode I wanted to share with you Discovercars.com, which has no hidden costs, 24/7 support and free cancellation. And you can save up to 70% on your next rental car and book with no hidden fees. Discover Cars has vehicles in 145 countries more than 10,000 locations, and they have cars for more than 500 partners. So you can always be assured that you are getting the best car at the best deal. You can give them a try using our link in the show notes and save up to 70% on your next rental car reservation. 

Podcast Interview:

Ladies and gentlemen, let's give a warm welcome to Mr. Palle Bo, the Radio Vagabond and Rockstar, who I miss so dearly and haven't seen in like five years. How is that possible?  

Palle Bo:    00:04:46    No, it's crazy. It's When was that?  

Kristin:    00:04:50    That was the end of 2018.  

Palle:    00:04:53    Wow.  

Kristin:    00:04:55    And I blame the pandemic, really? <laugh>,  

Palle:    00:04:58    We always blame the pandemic  

Kristin:    00:05:00    <laugh>. Yeah, we can do, everyone can universally blame the pandemic for everything. It's a thing. Yeah,  

Palle:    00:05:06    Yeah, yeah. Was that in Brazil after, uh, Nomad Cruise?  

Kristin:    00:05:10    Yes. I don't even think I had launched the podcast yet, because I didn't launch until May of 2019, so I was just collecting interviews at that time.  

Palle:    00:05:20    Yeah, yeah.  

Kristin:    00:05:21    And now we're on episode 225.  

Palle:    00:05:25    Wow. You are so productive. <laugh>. That's clear.  

Kristin:    00:05:27    Well, I don't know about that. <laugh> <laugh>, you've been doing this for way longer. What episode are you on? Do you count?  

Palle:    00:05:34    Uh, yeah, I am on 275, I think, in my English feed. And then in my Danish feed I'm at 320 or something like that.  

Kristin:    00:05:45    Incredible. Yeah. Hard to comprehend.  

Palle:    00:05:48    It was my goal to put out an episode every week, but especially in the last year or so, I haven't been able to keep up with that schedule because my episodes are so edited and I spent so much time producing stuff. I still record wherever I am. So I got a ton of recordings that I haven't put out yet. I even got some stuff from Brazil I haven't put out yet that I recorded back then, so. Wow. It's, it's almost embarrassing. No,  

Kristin:    00:06:16    I'm at the same point. I have videos from 2018, I haven't published yet, but they will come out and it will be weird. <laugh>.  

Palle:    00:06:22    I'm not alone. <laugh>. Yeah, no. So in the beginning I was, uh, I was editing them chronologically and the order that I recorded them, but then I was so behind and it just made it so, uh, and then I do a whole season about one part of the world, and it was a bit of the same for a long time. So now I'm just picking and choosing, I'm going into all my folders and seeing, oh, what do I have? Where do I want to go next week? Hmm. Let me see. Bolivia. Yeah. So

Kristin: I love that,

Palle:  uh, that way I'm, I'm, I'm jumping around the world in my podcast and it's still relevant even though it's, it's not like it's totally outdated. It's still totally relevant what I'm talking about and the people I meet. So I don't think my listeners' mind, but I have such a big back catalog and people haven't heard everything. So I'm now, I'm putting out flashback episodes as well every Friday and calling it Flashback Friday. So it's also something is very old and something is very new. So yeah, I got a lot of content and I'm trying, I have so many plans of what I want to do and, uh, what I'm doing. So yeah. Putting out a lot of stuff.  

Kristin:    00:07:32    And your episodes are very highly produced, as you mentioned, and highly edited, so much texture, so many sounds. So everybody who's listening, you definitely have to listen to pH's podcast because it's on another level.  

Palle:    00:07:48    Oh, thank you so much.  

Kristin:    00:07:49    What are your plans? What do you wanna do? <laugh>, give us some insight into your brain.  

Palle:    00:07:54    My plans of life or with the podcast?  

Kristin:    00:07:57    With the podcast, and then we'll get into life after that.  

Palle:    00:08:00    <laugh> <laugh>. Okay. I would love to put out more episodes and, and different forms of episodes. I've always been very strict about not doing online interviews because I don't like the sound of Zoom or Skype, but now we're using, right now we're using a platform called Riverside that lets you record locally on the guest's computer as well. So I get a much better, decent, better quality. So I'm planning on launching more interview-based episodes that I do online. I'm still not there yet, but I want to be you <laugh>  

Kristin:    00:08:38    Well, you recommended this to me because I used to make my guests record locally on their side, but even the quality wasn't good enough. So it's been frustrating to find a good option. We won't name names, but there's other pieces of software that crash or don't record or make my computer crash and don't seem to work that well. But this Riverside fm not sponsored, but I'll share the link for anybody. It should be who needs to record anything. If you need to record meetings, it's way better than Zoom. Yeah.  

Palle:    00:09:11    And like I said, for any interested podcasters listening, uh, it records on the guest computer, and so it, you get two files, you actually get two high HQ video files as well, if you want, if you wanna do video as well. And it's like being on a Zoom call. We can see each other on the screen, but sometimes my voice might drop out when what you are hearing, but that's not what goes into the recording. It's really the best quality that you can get.  

Kristin:    00:09:39    Yeah, we don't have to hear that sound of the Zoom voice, the dreaded Zoom voice, which is also hate that. It's like the Skype voice or Yeah. Any sort of phone connection that just sounds really bad. It sounds like America Online, dial up internet intercepted your voice for a few seconds. <laugh>  

Palle:    00:09:57    <laugh>. Yeah. Now it sounds as if we're in the same room. We're not, unfortunately, but, uh, it, it, it sounds like that. Yeah.  

Kristin:    00:10:04    Where are you at the moment?  

Palle:    00:10:06     I am in Belize on, um, Amber, uh, uh, yeah,  

Kristin:    00:10:10    Ambergris Caye.  

Palle:    00:10:12    Ambergris Caye, yeah, that's the one, the Island with the San Pedro. And I'm two weeks here, and before that I was two weeks in the smaller island, just a little bit South,  Caye Caulker. It is so tiny. And they have a slogan saying, go slow. This island is a little bit bigger and faster. Uh, so, uh, I, I wanted to try out both islands, uh, to see what it feels like.  

Kristin:    00:10:35    Oh, and so, yeah, what's the difference? What's your perception? I haven't been to Belize, but it looks like a postcard from the photos, especially those islands that you're on.  

Palle:    00:10:46    Yeah. And they have the second biggest, uh, coral reef, uh, right outside the window. So in the same year I went, um, scuba diving in the, the two biggest barrier reefs in the world. First in Great Barrier Reef in Australia, and then now, now here. So it's absolutely stunning and it's, it's very chill. You've got good restaurants, you've got very friendly people, and it's safe. The only thing is, um, I recommend don't go in July, August because it's so hot that you won't believe it.  

Kristin:    00:11:17    I heard there's a heat wave right now in the US anyway, so it's probably dipping into that area of the world or originating there. Yeah. And how does the reef look compared to the Great Barrier Reef? Because I actually haven't been snorkeling or scuba diving on the Great Barrier Reef, but I have been a bit around Honduras in places. Do you feel like the health of the reef over in Belize is better? Because there's a lot of information online about how the Great Barrier Reef is dying because of climate change and things like that. What have you observed?  

Palle:    00:11:54    Well, maybe it was me that was lucky, where, where I went scuba diving in, in Australia. I did a, a three day trip on a boat, uh, where we had a lot of dives. And, uh, the rumor about the Great Barrier Reef being dead is highly exaggerated. It's still very much alive and, and so many stunning fish. And, uh, we did a couple of night dives as well with the, the sharks. And, uh, it was, it was really, really beautiful here. It's beautiful as well. I won't be able to say what was best. Uh, they're both stunning and, and, and beautiful. So yeah, there's so much to see. It's, I absolutely love it.  

Kristin:    00:12:34    Well, we have to dive into your travel style because <laugh> dive <laugh>, no pun intended. Uh, how old are you now?  

Palle:    00:12:45    I am 75. No, I'm, I'm 58. Oh, 

Kristin:    00:12:49    I was like 75. I thought you were in your fifties. Wow, that's fast. Okay, so 58, you travel at a pace that's like a 13 year old, you go to a different place every 5.3 days. And the average number --

Palle:    00:13:07    Yeah, that's this year. And I slowed down  

Kristin:    00:13:08    And that's slowing down for you. This is madness. And you stayed in 102 different places in 30 countries. Was that this year or last year?  

Palle:    00:13:19    That was last year. That was when I was going a bit faster. Yeah.  

Kristin:    00:13:22    Okay. So how do you do this? We'll just start there. Where have you been and how do you do this? How do you sustain this for seven years now?  

Palle:    00:13:35    No, uh, 2022 was more insane than, than normal. Do you want me to run through the countries? I think I can do it with in 45 seconds.  

Kristin:    00:13:44    Go for it.  

Palle:    00:13:45    Okay. I started in, uh, in Kenya, then I went to Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi had a lot of experiences there. Then I went to Zanzibar in Tanzania before going to Denmark, Budapest, Cyprus, and then skipping across the world to Washington State, and then going back to Europe, to Iceland, then Croatia, Denmark, Croatia, Spain, Portugal, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Togo, Ghana, South Tome, Ghana, Rome, the UK where I did a road trip around the UK with my kids. We were in England, uh, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. And then I went to Azerbaijan, Georgia and Armenia and jumped down back to Africa. My third trip to Africa that year, first I was in Johannesburg, and then I joined the, the Nomad Base, uh, community on a Nomad Safari going up to Botswana and Zimbabwe and Zambia. And then we had Nomad Base in Cape Town. And from there I went to Thailand for a TBEX conference. And then Australia, where I ended my year in front of the Sydney Opera House with the fireworks in the background on a boat. So yeah, that was my 2022.  

Kristin:    00:14:54    Uh, you just put everyone's bucket list to shame, <laugh> <laugh>. It's interesting coincidence that you said that because right before this podcast, I was just reviewing a video that has the Sydney Opera House in it. And in the video I talk about how they are the first to celebrate the new year every year. And then five minutes later I talked to you and you said that  

Palle:    00:15:19    That fireworks. Wow. Wow. Yeah, that was stunning. 

Kristin:    00:15:23    I mean, there's no way to, you know, go through all of those countries in one podcast episode. No, <laugh>, which is why everyone should listen to your podcast. So you have different interviews with people around the world. I saw some from Bulgaria that you had this week from Lichtenstein, Uganda, Ukraine. But what drives you to go to all of these places? You mentioned going on a road trip with your family, so it seems like some of it is family related, but what is the motivation behind all of these trips?  

Palle:    00:15:56    I have a, a friend from Fort Florida that I traveled with a lot, and sometimes she would say, Hey, want to go to on this, uh, trip to, to Africa? We were actually planning that one with the, with more people, but then it ended up being just me and her. We, we got to know each other through the couch surfing community. And we, uh, started, uh, our first trip was in Saudi Arabia in, in December 21. And then, yeah, then we did the Africa trip to Ghana, Togo, Benin in South Tome. And it was basically because, yeah, you want to go. I said, yeah, sure, why not. And we also did the trip to George Armenia and Azerbaijan, and also she joined me on a, a road trip around the south island of New Zealand, uh, uh, this year. And then some of the reasons that I jumped so much from place to place is because I'm also producing and co-hosting the podcast for TBEX, which is, uh, for a community for travel bloggers and travel content creators, travel podcasters, travel YouTubers.  

Palle:    00:16:56    And, uh, every time they have a conference, I, I go on to those. So that's why I was in Washington State and, uh, and Spain and Thailand. It was for that conference. And then, yeah, I had the opportunity to go to, to nomad base, both in, in Croatia and, and, uh, Cape Town and, and do the Nomad Safari as well. And I thought, yeah, why not? So yeah, it, it panned out that way. And a lot of it was road trip, to be fair. So where it was just one or two nights in the same place. That's also what that, what brings the number up and makes it look so crazy in that, uh, 102 beds. One was in Thailand for a full month. So I do slow down sometimes. Yeah, it's, it's, it's interesting when I look at it, I can see that it's, it is crazy and it is a lot.  

Palle:    00:17:46    And it's so different than most nomads. Actually, the episode that I just put out a few days ago when we were recording this was, uh, something I recorded with seven Nomads in, in Bansko, Bulgaria, where I was, uh, for a Nomad Fest. And, uh, we talk about travel speed, and most of them, the most common answer is, well, at least a month, and preferably three month in the same place. And I just, wow, I'm, I'm so different. I'm so different. And the funny thing is that one of them said, well, it tends to be the younger nomads that travel fast. They wanna see the worlds. That was like, well, that makes me feel like a teenager.  

Kristin:    00:18:27    Yeah. Well, I think that, um, I mean, you must know something that we don't, I don't think I could sustain that level while still being able to focus on work and things like that. So how much of your time are you spending with sightseeing, and then how much is dedicated to recording these podcasts? You told me that you're working for Lego now, so what kind of work are you doing on the road, and how many hours per week are you working?  

Palle:    00:18:56    It varies a lot. I do podcasts for Lego, for something called Lego art, which is Lego for grownups, basically. And it's, uh, a lot of interviews with guests that are all over the world. So we also use Riverside for that. And, and sometimes there's a lot of planning, uh, writing the questions, finding the guests, and it's, it's not a lot of work that I can do in between and then go sighting and, and, and do some recordings for my own podcast, and then do a little bit of that. Maybe having a, a, a meeting once in a while, um, to keep the project in, in motion. And then when I'm doing the interviews or when we are doing the interviews and, and I do the editing of those episodes, then it's, it's like 10 hours a day just, uh, cranking out work. But that's very concentrated.  

Palle:    00:19:45    So that's why I went to Rome because, um, the host of that one was based in Rome. And, uh, I thought, why I was in Africa before, and I thought, I, I just need a good internet connection. And I thought, why not go to Rome and, and be with her in the studio? It says, we're doing the interviews to be more face-to-face, but it's not necessary. Normally, that's the only time I've done that. Normally the hosts are somewhere else in the world, and I'm sitting back as the producer in the background. And I can do that anywhere. So I could have been anywhere. I just needed to be somewhere with a decent internet connection. So that's why I went to Rome. And then after that, I got the recordings and I was sitting in my Airbnb in Rome editing it. Obviously I still went out and had some great Italian food. I, I took a day off where I went to the Vatican and, and saw that again. Uh, so it's not a four hour work week. I don't know what the hours are on average, but, um, it varies.  

Kristin:    00:20:43    Does your life now compare to what you thought it would be when you left Denmark?  

Palle:    00:20:50    Yeah, it's so interesting. It, it's, I've, I've been traveling full-time for seven years now, completely without a home base. And when I started and when I was starting to do the planning, I actually called my project around the world in 80 weeks because I thought it sounded funny. 

Kristin:    00:21:08    Instead  of 80 days <laugh>.  

Palle:    00:21:10    Yeah, that's only a year and a half. So then I thought, ah, it's probably gonna be two years. And then I thought, well, maybe four years. And now it's been seven years. And, uh, and I have no plans of putting my passport in a, in a drawer somewhere and getting a home base again. I really, really don't, I keep saying I could see myself slowing down, but I don't think I am <laugh>, uh, not right now, but I could see myself getting to the feeling where I need a home base. It's something I spoke to our mutual friend Nora Dunn, about that, that, uh, she got a home base back in Toronto, and it happened to her when she'd been traveling full-time for 10, 12 years. And it tends to be a thing for a lot of nomads that are traveling full-time without a home base that once they get to the 10 year mark is when they feel like having a home base again somewhere.  

Palle:    00:22:07    And then for Nora, when, well, she got the home base and now she's only there a couple of months, a year, so <laugh>, so she's still an a nomad, but a nomad with a home base, that might be the case for me as well. I really don't know. I just do what feels right and sometimes I feel I need to stay hungry, and if I'm getting to a place and I can't be bothered with walking one kilometers to see a big waterfall because yeah, I've seen something similar before I was just in New Zealand, so why bother? That's when I tell myself, okay, you need to slow down and get the hunger back. You need to be bored and get the hunger back to, because that's why I'm traveling is to experience new, exciting things. And if I don't appreciate it, then um, I have to, I have to slow down.  

Kristin:    00:22:57    Yeah. I had the same rule that if I was in a place and I didn't feel like going to see some magnificent thing in the area or getting to know the people or something, then I knew that I was in a rutt and I needed to Yeah. Sort things out. So yeah. You have this knack for traveling to these places very quickly, often with people, sometimes by yourself, and also doing these amazing interviews with locals. How do you meet people? How do you find these, uh, make these contacts and connections in the places that you go?  

Palle:    00:23:40    Sometimes it can be a tour guide or sometimes it can be my, my, uh, my Airbnb host, when I was in Quikocker, they were filming a big Hollywood production, uh, filmed with Michael Douglas and his son, and it was big production. So I was standing in the street and there were a lot of locals hired into help with security and, uh, medical. And I started chatting to a local guy that was there in case one of the stuntmen fell off a roof, and he had to be there to help them. And, uh, even though that was on the small island cocker, he told me that he lived on this island where I am right now. So I got his contacts and I actually randomly bumped into him on the street, uh, yesterday. And, uh, we're gonna be meeting, uh, on Saturday when he has time to sit down with me.  

Palle:    00:24:31    I also just bring my microphone everywhere and, uh, if I see something exciting or interesting, I start recording and I go and look at places, uh, and, and talk to people. And if I feel there's something exciting or I feel that there's a good story, I got the microphone as an excuse to contact them and say, can I come and visit this orphanage? Can I, uh, talk to you about the, uh, project that you're doing with the elephants, or whatever it is. So it's give, it's opening doors for me, so I'm glad I'm bringing a microphone because I'm getting experiences that I, I wouldn't normally have.  

Kristin:    00:25:11    Which microphone are you using? The Zoom, right. Which one is it?  

Palle:    00:25:15    I'm using, uh, the Zoom H6, which is a big one. Uh, I got a couple of different microphones I can plug onto it. And then I also have this small one, the Zoom H1 that I can also just put in my pocket and, and have a, a lavalier microphone if I'm doing a, a, a little video and recording on that. I got the, uh, Samsung Q2U, you here, I got a Shure SM7B, I have some wireless microphones. Um, yeah, I have a lot. 

Kristin:    00:25:45    Okay. I don't feel so bad now traveling with so much equipment.  

Palle:    00:25:49    <laugh>. Yeah. And now I'm, now I'm getting into more and more video as well, that that is, and I'm recording more and more. I got the Insta 360 camera and, uh, a couple of, uh, weeks ago I bought my first drone, so now I'm traveling with a drone as well.  

Kristin:    00:26:04    Which drone did you get?  

Palle:    00:26:06    I just got the smallest, uh, one that I could get, the DGI mini 3, not even the mini 3 pro, but it's so small because I needed something tiny, uh, because I'm, I'm carrying enough stuff as it is. And I bought, that was when I was in Connecticut, and then I went to New York and I couldn't fly in either of these places. Then I went to Cocker and they had a little airport there as well, so I couldn't fly there on the entire island. So when I got to this island, I went outside, uh, to the northern part of the island where it was possible. So a few days ago I went on my first flight with my drone, and it's, it's such a fun toy. I'm still such a newbie and, uh, I need to learn a lot. But yeah, it's a lot of fun.  

Kristin:    00:26:49    I get massive anxiety every time I fly my drone. Exactly. I just think I'm gonna lose it.  

Palle:    00:26:55    <laugh>, I thought it was gonna be better after doing it for a while, like riding a bicycle. Oh my God. Well,  

Kristin:    00:27:00    I don't fly mine that often. And I actually just sent mine back with my mom because I wanna get a new one. I wanna get one of those minis because mine was too bulky, it was taking up too much face. But my brother's a pro photographer, videographer, drone pilot, and he just lost one in Hawaii this year. Oh. So it does happen. You gotta get, I guess, insurance or just, but, but it is like riding a bike, it's just that I wouldn't, I would go a few months without flying it, and then I would feel awkward again. And then a lot of times it's windy. You don't really notice the wind until you go to fly a drone and then you, you're checking the wind on your weather, like, oh God, it's 27 mile per hour gusts. And I don't know if this thing can handle it. 

Palle:    00:27:43    Yeah. And, and it, it might be, it might be different winds up there than it is on the ground, so you never really know. Yeah.  

Kristin:    00:27:50    And what kind of hard drives are you traveling with? Because you've got a lot of content and Yeah, I have three right now. Four.  

Palle:    00:27:59    I have none.  

Kristin:    00:28:01    What are you doing it in the cloud?  

Palle:    00:28:03    Yeah.  

Kristin:    00:28:04    Oh, wow. That's heavy files.  

Palle:    00:28:06    Yeah. Especially the, uh, the drone shots and the Insta 360, the Insta 360 every time after a day of shooting with that, I got 50 gigabytes. Yeah. Yeah. I got a, I got a Pro Dropbox version, and I, if, if Dropbox all of a sudden collapses and I lose all those files, I don't know what I'll do because all the podcasts are up there, all the videos. Uh, so I, I trust them more than I trust an external hard drive. I've had those, and every time I've had one, all of a sudden I can't access the files. So I don't trust the hard drives. And I, I bought some good ones, some pro ones, and it happens to me every time. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. 

Kristin:    00:28:48    And  How do you edit then? Do you download the file and edit it on your computer and then upload it?

Palle:  Yeah.

Kristin: Okay.  

Palle:    00:28:55    With, with Dropbox, I can, I can see all the, uh, all the folders and then I can just see that, uh, it's in the cloud. And then if I want to go and do an episode, I, I'm very structured in the way that I, I, I organize my, my folders. It's always with the year, the month and the day and the place, so I can see where the files are, and then I just, uh, right click on them and said, make available offline and then go have a cup of coffee or go, uh, for a swim. And then I come back and I can start working on it with my videos. I'm editing those in, uh, Final Cut Pro, and I am not a pro on that. I'm more an audio guy with audio. I do my podcast in Hindenburg Journalist Pro, which is, um, such a great, uh, software for podcasters.  

Kristin:    00:29:42    Okay. Well, we'll have a long list of show notes on this one, <laugh>, with all of the microphones you use. And I think about you often, I don't know if you know this, but, uh, you kind--kind of changed my life,   

Palle:    00:29:53    Thank you. I think love you too, <laugh>.  

Kristin:    00:29:55    Thank you. You changed my life with the, um, we're mutual fans with the microphone because you were the one who told me about the Zoom microphones and I ended up getting a Zoom H2N, which is, you know, one of the older ones. And I love it. I use it almost every day, and I always think of you when I'm out recording things and recording sounds. I should use it more for just talking to people out in the streets. But I even use it for my voiceovers because I think it sounds better. I use it for music production. I <laugh>, one day I was filming a recording, I'll record street sounds. I was recording a sign that was flashing and blinking and making a sound. I was recording a sprinkler, and I'm like, what is my life? <laugh> right out here walking around with this microphone recording nature.  

Palle:    00:30:50    I feel it's something that really brings some mental pictures when you have those street sounds. So that's why I love speaking to people where it's in the place, the sound is what it is. I can't do a conversation if I'm in a cafe with loud music in the background. That doesn't work because it's impossible to edit and there's copyright issues and all of that. But having the local market in the background where you can hear a little bit of people speaking in a different language, uh, I did an episode when I went Gorilla trekking in Uganda, and hearing the, uh, sound of the jungle in the background is amazing. And yeah. And the footsteps and, uh, yeah, it, it, it brings some pictures to my, my mind when I'm listening to stuff. So I always record more generic, um, street sound or or field recording than I need, so I have something to put in the background and play around with.  

Kristin:    00:31:45    Yeah, I'm gonna start doing that more. Okay, guys. Get ready for more sound design. It really adds yay. That something extra to videos as well. And I do it when I have time. I actually thought of hiring just a sound designer to do that for my videos because it makes a huge difference. And, uh, I like to add the water sounds, the birds and things. Yes. But it takes as long as editing the video to do the sound design correctly. I know,  

Kristin:    00:32:15    I know. So, yeah, and sometimes, you know, if the video doesn't do well, it's like, I just spent an extra 10 hours on sound design <laugh>, so it's, you know, it's an ebb and a flow.

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Kristin:    00:33:37    How do you go about planning these trips? Or are you just completely winging it? Because I think that's one of the reasons why I haven't been to Africa yet, is because you've got how many countries are in Africa?  

Palle:    00:33:51    54?  

Kristin:    00:33:52    Yeah, I'm like 45, 54. And it's like, where do you start? You know, you got, I started in Central America and Mexico. I'm like, okay, I can manage this. You know, there's only a few countries figure one out at a time. But yeah. When you are faced with the option of 54 countries on a continent, it's just a bit overwhelming to even know. Which country do you start with and what are your resources for planning these road trips and journeys through multiple countries?  

Palle:    00:34:25    Yeah. Well, just to say a few words about Africa, my first, um, trip to Africa was to Cape Town, and it's still my favorite place on the planet. I absolutely love that city and, and the whole country and the people. But people also say, if you have only been to Cape Town, you haven't really been to Africa, you need to see more. So, and I wanted to see more. I did a road trip from Cape Town to Johannesburg, where I went to, uh, Aswani, uh, what was used to be Swaziland, now Aswani. And I almost went to Otto. I got to the border, and then I couldn't go any further. Long story, listen to the podcast, <laugh> and Mozambique as well. And then I wanted to see more. So I did a trip to Kenya. Uh, Kenya is fairly accessible as well and easy to travel to.  

Palle:    00:35:09    And, and from there to Uganda, the same for that. I've also done the Northwestern Africa, Morocco, did a big road trip all the way down to Guinea and Guinea-Bissau through Senegal and, uh, The Gambia, and then the, the trip I went to did to Uganda. Togo in Benin. I'm so lucky having a, a good travel companion in, uh, in Cynthia, that she's a lawyer in Florida and travel is her passion. She takes a lot more vacation than most American lawyers, I can tell you that. She's been to more than 130 countries. And, um, I'm so blessed that she loves to plan. So, so when she's, uh, doing her day-to-day life, her hobby is to plan trips. So she does a lot of planning. So that's been super great. And we travel in the same travel style. We're, we're just two good friends. Uh, there's, uh, nothing more than that. 

Palle:    00:36:03    And, uh, we're really traveling well together, so that's a good thing. And as for where I decide to go, sometimes it's because I do the TBEX, uh, conferences that I talked about, and that's what brought me to this side of the Atlantic. Uh, I was in, uh, in Wisconsin for a tbe. And then when I'm in that continent, I try to go and see other places. So I went to Connecticut to, uh, see some friends, and then I went to New York to see some more friends before going down here to Belize. And the reason I decided to go to Belize was, well, I haven't been here. And like my t-shirt says, I haven't been everywhere, but it's on my list.  

Kristin:    00:36:41    <laugh>, I think I have that coffee mug.  

Palle:    00:36:44    <laugh>. Oh, I thought I came up with that. I must have stolen it somewhere. Uh, so yeah, I hadn't been to Belize, and Belize is my country number 118, so I decided to go here. And after here, I am actually going to Playa Del Carmen, uh, in Mexico. I've been to Mexico. I haven't been to Playa Del Carmen, but, uh, it's such a, a big, uh, nomad hotspot. So I wanted to see what that's like. And then I've invited my oldest daughter to come and join me. So it's a good place, uh, to spend a couple of weeks with a 29 year old. And, uh, yeah, we're, we're gonna be having a little bit of beach life and, uh, enjoying the city and then renting a car, going out, seeing some more of Mexico while we are there. In my desperate attempt to slow down, I'm staying a full month in, uh, in Playa Del Carmen.  

Kristin:    00:37:34    Let that all fly by?  

Palle:    00:37:35    Yeah, I know. And then from there, I'm not really sure where I'm going. I know where I'm gonna be in October, and that's a quite a different place. But at the end of September, I'm probably gonna do a couple of weeks in Honduras in the beginning of October before going to Ukraine.  

Kristin:    00:37:54    Okay. Yeah, we'll talk about that. I'm very curious though, by the way, you're like, number one dad, your kids are so lucky, like, oh yeah, come to Playa Del Carmen for a month and have some beach time. How are you getting internet in these places? Are you carrying some hotspots with you, global hotspots that allow you to upload this content to the cloud?  

Palle:    00:38:16    No, I'm hoping to get a, a good wifi in, in the places that I'm staying can be challenging in some parts of the world. Where my computer gets filled up, because I can't get all the files to Dropbox while I'm there. But as for my cell connection, I used to get a local sim card all the time when I got to a new place, but now I found, uh, an EIM company that can get me an e-sim so I can actually set it up before, I even go to the country. And then once I'm on the ground, I just activate it and, uh, while I'm in the airport. And, uh, I got, I'm online immediately as I get there, so that's good. I don't need to go chasing for an a regular sim card anymore.  

Kristin:    00:38:59    Are they giving you a good amount of data with that? Do you know what your plan is?  

Palle:    00:39:04    Not really. I just started using it when I was in Greece, so I've, I did it in Greece, and then I'm doing it here in Belize, but it's a trial for me to see if it's, it's good. And then I might go back to buying the local sim cards.  

Kristin:    00:39:16    That could be your backup, basically, because yeah, you've got, you can activate that in advance. And then for the really affordable data, that's very fast, I'd go with the local sims. Uh, whenever I was talking with Matt Bowles about his road trip through Africa, I think he was in Ghana on a lot of different countries, and they had problems with finding internet or getting good internet at their Airbnbs and things like that, that made it hard to work. So I was wondering if there were any countries, and your travels this year that you were pleasantly surprised by how good the internet speeds were? Like, I was happy in Bulgaria with the internet speeds. Does Armenia have good internet in Georgia? I haven't been there. 

Palle:    00:40:02    Yeah. It's not something that sticks out in my mind that's either good or bad. So I think it's, it was, it was decent. It was decent. Uh, when I was in Bansko, I actually had some issues with my, uh, my Airbnb wifi, but it ran outta data all the time, but it was included, so I just had to contact my host every second day and saying, okay, I'm out again. And they had to fill it up. Uh, but most places it's good if you go to some places in Africa and it can be challenging. I think the, the best, the biggest surprise I had was actually when we met in 2018, and I got a local sim card in Rio, and it was faster than any wifi I'd ever been on <laugh>, uh, just standing in the street in Rio de Janeiro. And, uh, yeah, that surprised me. Sometimes the, uh, the local sim cards can be, be really fast, but just as long as it works, it's, it's, I I use it when I'm out and about for, um, for Google Maps and, and just getting a WhatsApp message or, uh, I, and then once I get to the more stationary, uh, uh, wifi at my place, I can do more uploading.  

Kristin:    00:41:14    I should have gotten one in Brazil because that Puerto Salinas, wifi was very slow. I think it was three megabits per second or something. <laugh>. Yeah. You've done a lot of traveling by yourself. You've done a lot of traveling with your friend from Florida, and you've also done the Nomad Cruise and met up with people from Nomad Base. There's this preconception that group travel or co-living is just for young people, but I disagree with that. And you've done it a lot. What would you say the pros and cons are of traveling in these groups, and why do you keep linking up with these communities?  

Palle:    00:41:55    Yeah. Well, I travel most of the time alone. And actually I have never done a co-living. The, the one in implied El Carmen is gonna be my first co-living. It was something that was talked about. I'm, I'm doing an episode with the Seven Nomads, uh, in, in Bansko about the whole community feeling as well and how you build a community. And a lot of them talked about co-living and yeah, I've never done it, and I thought, I need to try that. I've done a lot of hostels around the world, and that's great. But co-living, I could see that as being super great. I'm, I'm gonna get my own room with its own little kitchen and the bathroom, so it's gonna be like being in an Airbnb like I'm in right now, where I have my own tiny space here. But the co-living where you can, there's a co-work space in the building and the, there's a community and a communal kitchen, and they do events together. I, I, I think that's gonna be exciting.  

Kristin:    00:42:54    What is that place called?  

Palle:    00:42:56    Anana, I think. Anana.  

Kristin:    00:42:58    Okay.  

Palle:    00:42:59    Yeah. It's very inexpensive and, um, yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. So ask me in a, in a month time, and I'll tell you what it was like. Yeah. I've done the, uh, the Nomad base and the Nomad Cruise. I've done three nomad cruises so far, and I'm actually signed off for the next one in December, going back to Brazil. So get your ticket, Christian. Uh, we, we need to do that. So that's always great because it's, uh, the Nomad Cruise community is like a, a big family, and the same people that do, uh, the Nomad Base. And every time I go to these things, it's like a, a school reunion, it's, oh, how are you, what have you been doing? And, uh, and make some new friends. And yeah, it's, it's really great to be in that community. And then if I'm somewhere, uh, there's a good chance that somebody is around that, uh, I can meet up with, I'm sure I'm gonna meet some people I know when I get to Mexico.  

Kristin:    00:43:52    Yeah, there's a lot of people in that Playa del Carmen Tulum region, but I, I think we're two birds of a feather in that sense because we both travel alone a lot. But we also like meeting up with these communities and, and doing some group travel. And I like to do co-living sometimes, but I've gotta be in the mood for it. And I'm going to talk to Nora Dunn about that because she's linking up with the Wifi Tribe, I believe in Estonia. Yeah. And yeah, it, it does have its pros and drawbacks.  

Palle:    00:44:29    Yeah. I've spoken to both Matt Bowles and, and Nora about the Remote Year. Matt's done Remote Year and, and also there's the Wifi Tribe and similar things where you travel with a group from place to place and, and being part of that. And I can see the appeal of that. I've never done it because obviously you also pay a premium fee for people to book the tickets and book the places, and that's something I can do myself. So I've never done it, but I can see the appeal of it and, and being part of this family, it's so funny because I feel like an extrovert, and I spoke to Nora about this when we were in Bansko, and she also feels like an extrovert. Uh, no, she seems like an extrovert when you meet her, always talking to people. But she said, well, I'm actually an introvert, but that's when I get my energy back is when I'm having me time. And that made me think, yeah, it's, I kind of feel the same way. I enjoy meeting people and I can go up to people, but I also like to be with myself. And even if I'm at a big event, I can all of a sudden think, yeah, I need, I need a few minutes so I stand in a corner or go outside or do something to kind of get my energy back. Uh, so yeah.  

Kristin:    00:45:51    Yeah, I'm the same way. And, and after going to so many conferences, I started to learn that about myself, but I got voted most outgoing in high school. <laugh>, we have these superlatives, so--  

Palle:    00:46:04    You fooled them.  

Kristin:    00:46:06    An introverted extrovert.  

Palle:    00:46:08    Yeah. 

Kristin:    00:46:10    Well,  How do you think that you have changed in these seven years?  

Palle:    00:46:16    It's really hard to see because I'm in the forest to see the trees and how have I changed? I, I rarely, rarely, rarely have a bad day. It's so rare that I get sick. I had a bit of food poisoning, uh, when I was in the US and I did have a 24 hour covid a year ago. But I rarely, rarely get sick. And I think it's because I expose myself to so many germs all the time that my immune system is pretty good and I'm almost always happy and content with life and, uh, don't really have a bad day. So I'm really a positive person and enjoys life. And if I don't like it, I can just move. I'm so flexible that I can just go somewhere else, experience some new things. And then a thing that really have made me think is that I feel that time is moving slower when I'm traveling.  

Palle:    00:47:19    I've been traveling for seven years, and if I lived in Denmark and I was more or less on autopilot and did the same things every day, seven years would go by in a flash. But for me, those seven years feels like a lifetime because so much has happened. And when I was reflecting on my 2022 at New Year's Eve, I thought, wow, a year ago I started the year doing hot air balloons over Masai Mara, and then I did all that. And now I'm here. And I can't believe it's only a year. Whereas when I lived in Denmark, you would blink and then it would be Christmas again. So I think I, I found a secret way of slowing down time. My traveling years seems like way, way longer than 10 years, uh, when I lived in Denmark.  

Kristin:    00:48:08    Yeah. I think it's because you're so aware and you're so present and observing your surroundings more.  

Palle:    00:48:17    I actually looked, looked into it and, and, and found someone who said that it's because you put your brain to work. You are not on autopilot when you go to a supermarket. You have to figure out what the, the products are in a different language. How do you say salted butter, <laugh> in, uh, in a, in a different language. And even down to where's the light switch and the how does the washing machine work? Where do I shop? Where do I go? Every little thing you have to think about. So my brain is at work all the time, and I think that's what makes it feel like time is moving slower.  

Kristin:    00:48:51    Yes. That's very powerful. And I do think it is a secret fountain of youth because even the ability to recall in 45 seconds, all of the places that you went in the past year, I mean, how many of us can do that with, you know, if you just ask somebody, where were you on January 17th? They'd be like, I don't know, at home, at work. And I felt like those pandemic years went by very slowly at the beginning, but then very fast once it was clear that we were just settling in for that Right. Right. And it's hard, I mean, it's like a blur to me. 'cause I was in Miami the whole time. Now I did things, I still did things, but the, the things that I remember are the activities, you know, like I remember when I started with learning how to DJ, the people that I met, my neighbors and the different houses that I was living in.  

Kristin:    00:49:49    And when I went to Canada for the Running Remote conferences, like, you remember people, you remember experiences, you remember challenges and struggles. You're gonna remember a breakup. You're, you know, you're gonna remember this family trip or whatever. And when I travel, I can tell you, I, I think I just talked about this summer, it was in my solo travel video, maybe like, I can tell you where I was in October of 2005. You know, you associate a month and a date with a place with an experience, and it like, gives you this photographic memory. Do you find that?  

Palle:    00:50:27    Yeah, I also keep a list. I, I have a spreadsheet where I put in also to track my expenses for travel and accommodation. So I, uh, I can always go refer back to my, my list and see where I was. And I, I've got that all the way back from the 6th of July, 2016. So that's why I know exactly how many places I stayed in 22 and, and this year is because I, I can just go and check it on that list. It's really interesting. And, and talking about Covid, I was lucky enough to get to Cape Town, my favorite city, uh, for lockdown, and I thought it was gonna be a couple of months as we all did. And then I stayed in the same place for two and a half months. And even though that apartment was absolutely wonderful, it was in one of the best areas of Cape Town.  

Palle:    00:51:11    Uh, and, uh, the apartment was amazing. I was going outta my mind because two and a half month in the same place, I is not what I was used to. So then I thought, well, I can move. I can't leave the country, but I can move within Cape Town. So I moved to the City Bowl and stayed there for a month with a view of Table Mountain. And then I moved to Hout Bay for a month, and then I moved 500 meters to another apartment in Hout Bay, and then took Camps Bay. So I moved five, I stayed five different places, uh, in my nine month in, in Cape Town. And that made me feel a little bit like still being a nomad and packing and unpacking.  

Kristin:    00:51:50    Oh, wow. Nine months there. Yeah. That must have been something after this experience, but how did you feel like your experience was different getting to know one city so well over those nine months, even though you were on lockdown compared to passing through a place for a few days or a week or a month at a time?  

Palle:    00:52:11    I really enjoyed it. And also because I, the reason I moved to Howard Bay, because I have some friends there, uh, Samantha from, uh, nomad Cruise that I'm sure you'll remember, and, uh, her family and her friends. So I got to hang out with them a lot, which was, uh, very nice. And then I have some other friends and I got to know a lot more of the area and it confirms me that it's a great place and there's so much it has to offer. And yeah, that was nice. But after those nine month, I was ready to get back on the road from, so starting November, 2020, I was traveling again full time, both in Europe and South and Central America. And, um, yeah, I did a lot of traveling. And then after jumping around the world for a year, I heard people say, oh, it's good that the pandemic is almost over and now we can travel again. And I thought, well, what do you mean <laugh>? I've been doing it for a long time.  

Kristin:    00:53:05    What is another place that you would go for nine months if you had to? 

Palle:    00:53:09    Oh, Australia and New Zealand. Absolutely. It seems like I'm choosing places that are so far away from my home country. Yeah. I could definitely see myself living in both Australia and maybe even more New Zealand. It's absolutely wonderful, both the nature and the people and the mentality of people. And it's, yeah,  

Kristin:    00:53:29    I need to go there. I, yeah, it's, I have my stuff in storage right now, and I was thinking, oh, maybe I'll just go for, you know, a year and then come back and then, no, I'm gonna be traveling again for a very long time. And I don't know when I'm going to want a home base again, because there's already this long list of places where I want to stay for a long time, like three months, six months, one year. You know, I could totally see myself doing six months in Australia, six months in New Zealand. I mean, I already lived in Australia when I was studying, so I didn't have that much time to really explore. So I only saw really from Sydney to the sunny coast, probably but yeah, you could spend so much time in each of these places and just, yeah, keep going. <laugh>. So it's, yeah, if you start everyone listening, like you'll probably, you'll probably keep going for longer than you think. You might not go forever, but you six months easily turns into one year, three months, turns into six months, and one year can turn into seven or eight years. Yeah. 

Palle:    00:54:32    How long time have you been nomad?  

Kristin:    00:54:34    Well, I've been living abroad on and off since 2002, so more than 20 years now. And I've been nomadic, like even when I lived in Costa Rica, I probably moved 20 times in eight years. I had moved to so many different houses. And then I did a year in Nicaragua, and then I went fully nomadic in January of 2013, and that's when I just basically was going around the world with no end date. Uh, and then I've had home bases, I've had home bases in North Carolina and Florida throughout, which is nice to have. But  

Palle:    00:55:16    Did you get the feeling for, uh, a home base? Uh, again after, uh, 10 years, like we talked about? 

Kristin:    00:55:22    Yeah.  Yeah. And that's why I was actually relieved that we were stuck during the pandemic because I was in Miami for three months. That's, that was slowing down for me. Okay, I'm gonna do three months here. And then my first month was February and then March, I think it was March 1st, or somewhere, somewhere around the Super Bowl that I got there. And then, you know, by March 12th or 20th, we were on lockdown, so that ended up being very good for me. I really needed that. And I didn't know until months into the lockdown that I was like, I am not ready to leave yet. And I was really enjoying just being stuck there with my paddleboard on the canal and just these lazy days. Well, not lazy 'cause I was working a lot, but, and it was very scary at first and unknown. But yeah, I, I'm in a phase now where I'm enjoying the slow traveling, but as you mentioned with the grocery store this morning, I was walking to the park and it's funny how quickly you get into a routine in these places.  

Kristin:    00:56:27    And I walked by Aldi to get some bananas and I just had this out of body experience where I thought, I'm a local at this grocery store, <laugh>, like this is my local Aldi, and am I gonna look back at this time and just think about, uh, how I went to Aldi three days a week. You know, <laugh>, Yeah. Um, so it's weird. It's, it's a weird experience and like these people are seeing me all the time. They're seeing me in the park, they're seeing me walking through the neighborhood, they're seeing me out. They're never gonna see me again. It's kind of weird. Yeah. It's weird to be so present in a place that you become a local and you recognize people. Like this morning at the park, I saw this guy, I know that he had three dogs, but one dog got poisoned and so now he has two dogs. And I saw him walking by, it's like, Hi. So I was like, I know things that have happened to these people. And then yeah, we'll just be gone. Yeah. Moving on to the next thing. So, I don't know, I don't know if that's good or bad or it just, it just is what it is.   

Palle:    00:57:27    It is what it is. But yeah. And, and, uh, in the episode that I just put out the, with the, the Seven Nomads, uh, one of the guests, he talked about him and his girlfriend going to this cafe in Portugal and got to know the dog of the owner and uh, and the owner himself. And then they left and came back a year later. And, uh, the owner, he came with what they always got and he said, I almost didn't recognize you because you're not wearing glasses. And that was a year after. So those experiences really heartwarming where you become more like part of the community than a visitor and a tourist where people get to know you.  

Kristin:    00:58:09    Yeah. And the reality of the matter is that our time on this planet is finite, and whether it's an experience at a cafe with someone or at a park or on a boat or on a Zoom call or whatever, it's like we only have so many of these experiences and it's a big decision and it's a big responsibility to choose how you wanna spend your time and where you wanna spend it and with whom. So, but it is also a reminder of how, you know, fleeting our time is and to make the most of it.  

Palle:    00:58:45    Yeah. I actually, the whole conception of time that, that whole thing, I actually did, uh, an online TEDx talk about that, that's on my homepage in that I end up by saying that with this lifestyle, I'm gonna live until I'm 150, or at least it'll feel like that. So I'm, I'm feeling that I crack the code on how to make it feel like I am older. And in the beginning I said that I'm 75, it feels like I'm 75. Not that I feel old and tired, but it feels like I've been on the planet for 75 years because I've had so many experiences.  

Kristin:    00:59:22    Yes. Well, I think, I mean, I don't know where to take it from there. I think this is the best place to wrap up here. Is there anything you want to share with us and where can people find your podcast and follow your travels and maybe even travel with you?  

Palle:    00:59:38    Yeah. Well, my podcast is called The Radio Vagabond, the Radio Vagabond. And that's about where you'll find me on all the podcast apps and, and on, uh, on social media. And I really hope that people will listen. In fact, when we did that video in Brazil, I've had so many people write to me and saying that they found my podcast because of that interview more than any other interview that I've ever done in my life. And I've done quite a few. So hopefully a lot of people will listen to this and discover my podcast and I can get a lot of new listeners. That would be awesome. And, um, yeah, go find me on the radiovagabond.com and, and see where you else can find me.  

Kristin:    01:00:22    Yes, this podcast is not as exotic because we're not sitting on the beach in Brazil. So I just wanted to see how many views that video has. This is called Becoming a Digital Nomad in Your fifties. And who knew that that sunset conversation would have such an impact in the world, but it looks like it had, that was episode seven of the podcast, 80,000 Views. Wow. So that is a lot. That's a lot of views. We'll link to that in the show notes as well. But it's such a pleasure talking with you always Palle and everyone, this has been Philosophy Hour with Palle and Kristin <laugh>. <laugh>. I hope you enjoyed <laugh> and I hope that we get to see each other in real life soon. And maybe I'll go to one of those travel conferences.  

Palle:    01:01:13    Yeah, get your butt on the Nomad Cruise. December.  

Kristin:    01:01:17    It could be. I'm going back to Florida for a wedding and Thanksgiving and then I was planning on just spending the holidays in, in Florida, but maybe 

Palle:    01:01:28    That was before we had this conversation.  

Kristin:    01:01:31   Yes, plans change. Plans can change people. <laugh>. Yeah. Thanks so much Palle, and thanks everyone for spending time with us today. I hope it gave you a lot to think about. And we'll see you again next week. Wow. I hope that you enjoyed that conversation with Palle. I did not know where it was going there at the end, but I'm glad that we got deep and we got personal and I hope it gave you a lot to think about. And remember that you can support the show and check out new travel gear from Minaal or by getting a discount on your next rental car reservation with DiscoverCars.com, by using our affiliate links in the show notes and also getting ready for your next trip. So travel on Travel safe. Thanks for spending time with me today, and I will see you again next week.